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Comment by visarga

9 months ago

Ah you mean like Google Search?

Google doesn't "vaccuum up" anything. Every site indexed by Google is still available without using Google at all. They are _copying_ information, not moving or removing it.

  • And how does downloading a torrent differ from that?

    • It doesn't, unless the torrent later becomes unavailable. Then the AI trained with is the only "copy" left.

      If anything, the law should require that they seed their training data so that the competitive landscape converges on actual technological innovation and not moat building through data destruction.

    • The sites copied by Google Search explicitly allow it.

      The books copied by Meta, explicitly disallow it, and require payment for distribution.

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Google Search brings you traffic and revenue. LLMs do not.

  • See also how people have responded to google-snippets. When google search threatens to remove traffic or revenue, people get angry quite quickly.

I still own my content. Google links to it and sends me traffic. We both win. This sort of relationship is not present when my content is anonymously fed into a training model intended to be used to extract users before they are sent to me. And, yes, I am aware Google has pulled some cute shit with this definition, and when they do it then it's also bad.

  • > Google links to it and sends me traffic

    Used to, but more recently it's probably LLM agents using Google not people. And even if it's not yet, it will be. Last time I searched for something on Google it messed up so bad I quickly returned to GPT-4o+search.

    • If that's the case, Google should go away. I use kagi and it works pretty well for me.

      The answer to bad products is not to throw away the idea of people getting to control their own content.