Comment by flir

I'm honestly at a loss here. I can't figure out what your position is.

> If we want to use data owned by others and make money with it [...] ask the content owners

So is it "no commercial use without permission" you're arguing for?

> mechanized processing

Or are you arguing that training should fall under the existing mechanical license provisions for songs? I don't think you are, because those licenses are compulsory, and you seem to want an element of choice for the copyright holder.

Ok, put the chatbots aside for the moment. If [brand new use] for a book is invented, and I buy a copy of that book and want to do [that new thing] with it, should the copyright holder of that book be able to block me?