Comment by xmprt
2 months ago
The nice thing about reddit is that no one is forcing you to follow such broach subreddits which appeal to the common denominator. In my experience, any subreddit which has more than a few millions members is going to be pretty terrible.
Find a more niche subreddit like /r/<city_name>running (although location subreddits fall into a similar trap) or /r/longdistancerunning and you'd probably find them to be more interesting simply because moderators are beholden to a smaller community and their job is more about making things interesting for their niche and cultivating a community rather than just dealing with slurs, bots, and spam.
I agree with your comments about the large subreddits, but I also agree with Mistletoe that even many niche subreddits (or at least "midsized" subreddits) suffer from the same moderation problem.
Namely, once a subreddit becomes popular or has basically "the default" subreddit name, it's extremely difficult to just start a new subreddit if you don't like the moderation on the old subreddit, because it's so hard to get people to know about or move to the new subreddit. There was some drama years ago where some r/lgbt mods went on a major power trip, which caused other folks to start the r/ainbow sub, but still most folks go to the lgbt reddit as it's what comes up first if you just search for "gay subreddit" or similar.
You say "because moderators are beholden to a smaller community", but that's the point - mods aren't really beholden to anyone at all, as it's not like electing mods is a democratic process. Note nor do I think it should be, as being a mod is a ton of grief and labor that people donate for free. But I do think Reddit could make it a lot easier and "fairer" if people wanted to "fork" a subreddit if people wanted to discuss the same topics with the same community, just with different moderation rules.
If someone/some group can’t successfully create a smaller competing subreddit, what prospects would they have to successfully convince over half the existing userbase of a subreddit to formally vote for a “fork”?
the issue is that it's very hard to even let their desired audience know that they exist.
the only feasible way (short of like, scraping every comment made on a subreddit and dm'ing each of those users) to reach the audience you're trying to convince to switch to your alternate subreddit is by... posting on the original subreddit. the original subreddit has no incentive to allow your post, and public moderation logs aren't a thing on reddit, so...
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> Find a more niche subreddit like /r/<city_name>running
Maybe that works in the US, since half of all reddit users seem to be from there, and for very general topics like running.
But for discussing local LLMs, you have just about one place to chose between, and if the moderators somehow are silencing discussions there, there doesn't seem to be much you can do about it.