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Comment by Cthulhu_

3 days ago

I don't think the "a button in X is 40% heavier than an SPA" is a fair comparison; including a framework will add weight, but these frameworks are not intended for single components. Compare apples to apples, then we can make a fair comparison.

That said, how does Nue compare to htmx and other frameworks leveraging the modern web standards?

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MartijnHols  3 days ago

There is no such things as a true apples to apples comparison for libraries such as this. They all cherry pick something and ignore a ton of things such as:

  - accessibility
  - amount of libraries with plug-and-play solutions to common problems
  - security
  - scalability
  - rendering performance
  - maintainability
  - browser support
  - browser extension interference
  - hundreds of other niche edge-cases that someone will eventually run into but are non-obvious until it's widely used

React is really well-thought out and well made by hundreds of professional contributors that have worked on it for years. The premise that hobbyists can make a better overall solution in less than 8 months is strange. At best they can make a smaller solution, but it will have to sacrifice in other areas.

  • maccard  3 days ago

    React and the react ecosystem fail at many of the criteria you’ve listed. You might argue “that’s not reacts fault” but when I look at a website that takes 15+ seconds to load its content on a gigabit connection , I’m never surprised when it’s react. Lots of sites have massive issues with rendering performance, scalability and maintainability even with react.

    What react does do is give you a clean separation of concerns across team boundaries and allow for reusable components . But the cost you pay for that is a boat load of overhead, complexity, maintainability concerns, and react specific edge cases

    • MartijnHols  3 days ago

      A 15+ second load on a gigabit connection is impossible to have anything to do with the React library, as React is only kilobytes big and has no impact on the host.

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    • joquarky  2 days ago

      I think companies should make web developers use a decade-old bargain-basement laptop at least once a month.

      Each team member could take their turn using it so that it's already tooled up for the project they are working on.

t-writescode  3 days ago 

  - htmx    = 14k as min.gz
  - solidjs = 7kb as min.gz

htmx for "easy" html, solid for reactivity. Don't know how much more Nue provides; but, there you go for numbers.