Windows, just like any other operating system, has its set of contrivances for different functions (in this case automated installation). Having used RedHat Kickstart I don't see it as hugely different.
They've disabled the ability to finish Windows installation without having an internet connection and connecting your Microsoft account.
> According to a Windows Insider blog post announcing Preview build 26200.5516 (KB5054687) the bypassnro.cmd script has been removed in order to "enhance security and user experience of Windows 11."
> "This change ensures that all users exit setup with internet connectivity and a Microsoft Account."
lol.
Never been a better time to jump ship to Linux, honestly. I held out for ages because I was a princess and wanted everything to be perfect. I used Linux 24x7 as an admin and developer, but from afar and never locally as my daily driver. Finally bit the bullet July '23 and it has been nothing but smooth sailing.
I just deployed three new Windows 11 Pro machines yesterday (two HP, one Dell) with local accounts. The HP OEM image was pre-24H2 so it doesn't count, but the Dell machine was 24H2.
Waited for the machine to reboot and ran thru the OOBE w/o connecting to a network. Once I got logged-on w/ my local account connected to the Wi-Fi and joined the Active Directory domain.
I assume this is being posted/upvoted in terms of “workaround for Microsoft Account requirement”. I actually mostly like Windows, but that particular thing they're pushing is more infuriating than any other, and there have been lots of others.
See the page's description for “Allow Windows 11 to be installed without internet connection”:
> This effectively runs the oobe\BypassNRO.cmd command, which was discovered by Reddit user AveYo. You still have to click the I don't have internet button during Windows Setup.
> Only check this option if your computer really does not have internet access. If you just want to create local (“offline”) user accounts in Windows 11, you can always do so in the _User accounts_ section of this form.
Thanks for that. I didn't even think about the whole Microsoft Account requirement in the context of unattended installs.
I like Windows quite a bit. I get unreasonably angry when the ability to see the source code would be useful, or when I can't minimize irritations by recompiling. I feel that way about all closed-source software, though. By and large I'm happy to use it for some things. I've used it a long time. I don't dislike it.
What's happening w/ Windows, though, fills me with frustration and sadness. The Microsoft Account requirement is absolutely asinine. The Windows 10 and later UI changes are ridiculous. The continued push to take away user rights on computers they own, by sinking DRM tendrils deeper into the OS, is frustrating.
It feels like developers w/ little to no real world experience using Windows and who have no ability to stand up to the whims of UI "designers" (who also don't seem to acutally use Windows), sales and marketing, and the copyright cartels have been put in charge of Windows.
Using Qubes is orthogonal to what operating systems you're running as guests within it. Every OS is hostile, if only passively (leaking information to the network in the myriad of ways that have become acceptable today, for example).
My favorite is that even Microsoft themselves maintain MIT licensed debloat scripts of their own software.
https://github.com/microsoft/windows-dev-box-setup-scripts/b...
I really gotta ask Microsoft about that beer they owe me :)
That's wild. They should at least give you some Microsoft dollars for their company store :)
This is the best joke I have seen in a while.
Workarounds to what?
Windows, just like any other operating system, has its set of contrivances for different functions (in this case automated installation). Having used RedHat Kickstart I don't see it as hugely different.
Workarounds on Linux systems are necessary for possible hardware compatibility issues or bugs which are not intentional.
Workarounds for commercial OSes are necessary to avoid user-hostile behaviors that are completely intentional and likely to get worse over time.
have you tried installing win11 and creating an account without internet access?
After their most recent shenanigans, the writing is on the wall, the nails are in the coffin - https://www.pcgamer.com/software/operating-systems/microsoft...
They've disabled the ability to finish Windows installation without having an internet connection and connecting your Microsoft account.
> According to a Windows Insider blog post announcing Preview build 26200.5516 (KB5054687) the bypassnro.cmd script has been removed in order to "enhance security and user experience of Windows 11."
> "This change ensures that all users exit setup with internet connectivity and a Microsoft Account."
lol.
Never been a better time to jump ship to Linux, honestly. I held out for ages because I was a princess and wanted everything to be perfect. I used Linux 24x7 as an admin and developer, but from afar and never locally as my daily driver. Finally bit the bullet July '23 and it has been nothing but smooth sailing.
I just deployed three new Windows 11 Pro machines yesterday (two HP, one Dell) with local accounts. The HP OEM image was pre-24H2 so it doesn't count, but the Dell machine was 24H2.
I booted to the OOBE, hit <SHIFT>-<F10>, ran:
Waited for the machine to reboot and ran thru the OOBE w/o connecting to a network. Once I got logged-on w/ my local account connected to the Wi-Fi and joined the Active Directory domain.
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Hold on.
They're saying with a straight face that connecting to the Internet is required in order to enhance security?
I assume this is being posted/upvoted in terms of “workaround for Microsoft Account requirement”. I actually mostly like Windows, but that particular thing they're pushing is more infuriating than any other, and there have been lots of others.
See the page's description for “Allow Windows 11 to be installed without internet connection”:
> This effectively runs the oobe\BypassNRO.cmd command, which was discovered by Reddit user AveYo. You still have to click the I don't have internet button during Windows Setup.
> Only check this option if your computer really does not have internet access. If you just want to create local (“offline”) user accounts in Windows 11, you can always do so in the _User accounts_ section of this form.
Thanks for that. I didn't even think about the whole Microsoft Account requirement in the context of unattended installs.
I like Windows quite a bit. I get unreasonably angry when the ability to see the source code would be useful, or when I can't minimize irritations by recompiling. I feel that way about all closed-source software, though. By and large I'm happy to use it for some things. I've used it a long time. I don't dislike it.
What's happening w/ Windows, though, fills me with frustration and sadness. The Microsoft Account requirement is absolutely asinine. The Windows 10 and later UI changes are ridiculous. The continued push to take away user rights on computers they own, by sinking DRM tendrils deeper into the OS, is frustrating.
It feels like developers w/ little to no real world experience using Windows and who have no ability to stand up to the whims of UI "designers" (who also don't seem to acutally use Windows), sales and marketing, and the copyright cartels have been put in charge of Windows.
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I just stick to qubes, thanks but nothanks. To treat every OS as hostile seems to be the sane solution these days.
Using Qubes is orthogonal to what operating systems you're running as guests within it. Every OS is hostile, if only passively (leaking information to the network in the myriad of ways that have become acceptable today, for example).
Why should I treat my Arch installation as hostile? Seems unreasonably paranoid.
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it's not just windows. every OS has "secret" options that a power user can use if only they knew about them.
Definitely. I have a script I run on new Macs to turn on/off various features, mostly using "defaults write".
Mind sharing it?
Yeah, but it's a breeze compared to making GNOME usable; hamburger menus everywhere!!11!
Wait is there a way to turn those back into regular menu bars?
ya it's called KDE
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