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Comment by pjc50

7 days ago

Note that various surveys report young women and young men diverging a lot more politically. Partly because women's rights have become so politicised.

>Partly because women's rights have become so politicised.

What is the womans suffrage movement?

I may be extrapolating on a single statement too far, but I do feel that you are missing a huge chunk of history regarding all the rights women (at least regarding the US) did not have.

Womans rights have been political for the last 200 years if not longer.

> Partly because women's rights have become so politicised.

That's a hand-wavy way of saying that a core pillar of one of your parties is to take away the rights of an entire gender.

Imagine describing 1940s Germany and saying "Ethnicity has become so politicized these days. I'm just interested in nationalizing the auto industry"

  • That would only be true if words weren't perverted for political leverage. Sexist used to mean "women can't do that" now sexist means "a woman experienced an unpleasant thing, and it carries more significance because of her gender, and if you dare dispute this you can expect to be cancelled".

    • How about “women can’t get certain medical procedures”? Or “women can’t vote”? Multiple prominent Republicans have floated reducing or eliminating women’s right to vote.

What do you mean by women’s rights? The difference in support for abortion by sex is trivial. https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/fact-sheet/public-opini...

  • Probably not abortion. While rights never happen in a vacuum, it is usually framed as a matter of fetus rights.

    How about a woman's right to equal employment opportunity? 67% of women are in favour of DEI, while most men (57%) take the opposing view. https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/poll-american...

    The primary political parties are definitely catering to those sides.

  • Seeing a 3 point difference in the support for abortion between men and women is *wild* to me.

    • Rest assured: Those 33% of women who say abortion should be "Illegal in all/most cases," would instantly carve out an exception for themselves if their own lives or livelihoods were in jeopardy from a pregnancy.

This trend is certainly one aspect of the explanation for the decline in the number of long-term relationships.

  • The other being that once women have largescale representation in the workforce, can open bank accounts and credit cards on their own, and can support themselves financially, one of the key pressures to marry is removed. Once there was no fault divorce and women did not need to prove why they needed to divorce, one of the key pressures to stay married is removed.

  • It could also be the opposite causality. Because people aren't getting into intimate relationships as much (looking out for each other, caring deeply about an individual of the opposite gender), the two groups are naturally diverging into preferring "what's best for ME".

    I think the political split between genders is MUCH stronger for singles. It's kind of a trap actually.

Also white/black, straight/gay, poor/wealthy etc.

We can find hundreds of dividing lines if we insist.

Ah yes, one sex is diverging to the other side because they are wrong on MY pet issue. (This is not grounded in reality)