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Comment by aa-jv

7 days ago

>The golden prize for America's enemies is to remove the US dollar as a global reserve currency.

Its also the golden prize for America's victims, it has to be said.

We can't keep propping up the USA as a moral position to aspire to, when that state continually gets away with mass murder and human rights violations beyond the scale of any other peer.

The USA is the worlds #1 funder of terrorism, and violator of international law on the subject of war.

So its not just about 'enemies'. Its really about victims.

I certainly wont disagree with the US not representing any moral heights especially now, however do you have sources for the US being particularly egregious in relation to its peers in its actions?

  • Anyone who has been paying attention to the body count since the illegal invasion of Iraq in 2003 can tell you that the rest of the world has a long, long way to go to catch up with the atrocities committed by the American people across the globe, from Iraq to Afghanistan to Syria and Libya, Pakistan and Somalia and Yemen (which the USA and its partners were mass-murdering for 15 years already before the current conflict), and now .. Gaza .. for which the American people are very definitely responsible as major funders and supporters of that particularly vile act of mass murder.

    But if you want to inform yourself, follow https://airwars.org/ and look for reports on the matter by trusted sources, such as the Physicians for Social Responsibility, which has produced casualty reports for all of America's illegal, heinously irresponsible wars.

    This report for example, from 2015, demonstrated the magnitude and extent of the crimes committed by the American people in Iraq alone - and things have gotten a lot, lot worse since then:

    https://psr.org/resources/body-count/

    • Anyone paying attention may have been mislead as you have been, but your own sources highest estimates aggregated (which is likely 1.5-2x higher than reality) put the US around 1/5 of all deaths combatant and civilian in this cherry picked time period. The reality is that there is a LOT of war happening and death happening and the US is only one of the players.

      https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/civilian-and-combatant-de...

      Acknowledging the mass harm war causes and the role the US has to play in that is absolutely true and valid. Pretending the US is acting egregious in comparison to others and only hyperfocusing on proving "US bad" when someone asks for context of how bad the US is overall doesn't serve anything than show your opinion and lack of willingness to discuss it on open and reasonable terms.

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Russia is the number one war criminal in the world. Of course now that Russia owns American leadership, we can partially blame them for American human rights abuses.

  • The number of civilian deaths in Ukraine doesn't come close to the number of civilian deaths in Iraq, Afghanistan and Palestine caused by the US.

    • That is correct, and this is a terrifying fact to any American nationalist who believes their country can do no wrong, as evidenced by the downvotes of an absolute truth.

  • >Russia is the number one war criminal in the world.

    This is absolutely incorrect by sheer statistics, alone. Anyone making this claim is simply utterly ignorant of the actual statistics, and I challenge you to overcome that personal limitation.

    Russia has a long, long way to go to catch up to the +million murders done in Iraq, alone - where the USA has murdered 5% of Iraqs population with its wars (including the continuing deformed baby deaths as a result of the widespread distribution of depleted uranium all over Iraq).

    The USA is a major funder and supporter of the mass murder of Gaza - Gaza is just another Mosul, just another Raqqa .. Israel would not be getting away with mass murder if the USA hadn't set the precedent for war crimes and mass murder in multiple other theatres. Russia, too, follows the USA's lead and uses the USA's own prior inculpability for multiple illegal wars to justify its actions.

    This is why it is just so dangerous for citizens to allow their nations to commit war crimes and crimes against humanity, and allow those politicians responsible for such acts to go unpunished. This is why it is so irresponsible for the American people to allow their nation to degrade the capabilities of the International Criminal Court, and to fail to prosecute their own war criminals.

    Because, if you let your nation do it, you are giving carte blanche to any other nation in the world to do it too. And that is precisely why states such as Russia and Israel are wilfully committing mass murder - under the cover of the prior unprosecuted crimes of extraordinary magnitude committed by the American people and their representatives.

    If you want to do something effective about Russia and Israel, Americans, you must first prosecute your own war criminals and establish the international precedent for those prosecutions which can be used against Russian and Israeli war criminals, also. Leaving your own war criminals unpunished gives a free ride to all other nations, who will gleefully follow you into the madness - and have done so now, for 25 years of the utterly atrocious "war on terror", in which the American people gave themselves the ultimate right to destroy any state their callous rulling class - factually fundamentalist racists - decides is inferior to their own.

    • I agree that the US bears significant responsibility for the ~5% civilian deaths in Iraq. These were through:

      1) Direct combat fatalities (~15% of casualties)

      2) Failing to stabilize Iraq post-invasion

      3) Enabling conditions for prolonged conflict

      However, attributing all excess deaths solely to the US oversimplifies the role of insurgent groups, regional actors, and preexisting sectarian tensions. The invasion’s destabilizing effects created a chain reaction with shared accountability.

      Furthermore, calling it murder is disingenuous. Murder requires both premeditation and deliberate intent.

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