Comment by AStonesThrow
9 days ago
> driven up to you by a remote driver
This is hopefully illegal and not actually what is done, because I have learned from Waymo that it is not permissible or even possible for the CS reps to remotely drive the car. They merely push "suggestion" commands to be considered by the onboard Waymo Driver.
Remote human drivers have too much latency and not enough realtime information available to "drive" a vehicle on public roads.
* https://halo.car/
* https://vay.io/
Wow thanks for sharing. I genuinely didn’t think this was legal.
From the second link:
> In the event of an emergency, the vehicle automatically puts itself into a safe state within milliseconds by coming to a safe stop in the same lane.
It sounds to me like the hardware has some amount of autonomy. They just aren't trying to do the high level stuff. Both companies seem like they're trying to hide the implementation details though which immediately makes me suspicious of them.
Yeah I was surprised too when they handed me a voucher when I left a hotel last time I was there. Really cool concept. I wasn't able to use it because it was only on iPhone
I wonder where the remote drivers are? If they were in Vegas, latency could be very low -- but if they are in Berlin...
They wouldn't be in Berlin, you want to go to cheaper labor places than Las Vegas, which are plentiful in the US, and even more plentiful in Mexico if you want reasonably low latency to the US.
I'd be more concerned about the remote driver's internet connection crapping out. The car probably has multiple simultaneous cellular connections (e.g. PepLink SpeedFusion hot failover type thing).
It’s not merely about latency, but you also need to consider that any ‘remote driver‘ will have less telemetry, and of a lower quality, than an onboard AI driver.
A human operator wouldn’t even be able to read or interpret the types of data which would be collected and sent by a vehicle such as a FSD Tesla or a Waymo.
Now as I understand it, military forces are really good at remotely operated drones/UAVs so perhaps the tech does exist in parallel, but those are two distinct applications.
If the drivers are local were looking at less than 100ms latency? Seems very doable. More worried about the system going down.
Still seems dangerous to me- 60-100ms increase in reaction time is equivalent to driving drunk
At 70 mph you'd traverse the full length of a car before the brake kicks in
Oh well you’re assuming now that each remote human “vay.io” operator is only simultaneously responsible for only one vehicle at a time?
Furthermore, that’s a brand-confusion name they’re d/b/a. “Veyo” is a very well established ride sharing provider, based in San Diego, and specializing in human drivers for NEMT.
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