{"id":43685283,"user":"skyyler","time":1744659162,"time_ago":"6 days ago","type":"comment","content":"

What organised group of leftists has attacked a group of people based on their ethnicity? Do you have a link you could share?","comments":[{"id":43685876,"user":"myth_drannon","time":1744662031,"time_ago":"6 days ago","type":"comment","content":"

SJP for example. That's why Khalil and others are deported.","comments":[{"id":43685913,"user":"skyyler","time":1744662229,"time_ago":"6 days ago","type":"comment","content":"

Can you expand on this?

What is SJP? What student did they attack based on ethnicity? Can you send any links?","comments":[{"id":43686042,"user":"breppp","time":1744663075,"time_ago":"6 days ago","type":"comment","content":"

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/investigations/five-jewish-coll...","comments":[{"id":43686122,"user":"skyyler","time":1744663544,"time_ago":"6 days ago","type":"comment","content":"

Can you quote the part of this article where a leftist student group organises to assault a student because of their ethnicity?

I couldn't find that part.","comments":[{"id":43686195,"user":"alabastervlog","time":1744663916,"time_ago":"6 days ago","type":"comment","content":"

I was struck by how many of the people whose ages are named in that article were in their late thirties through fifties. Both as alleged perpetrators of violence, and victims.","comments":[{"id":43686295,"user":"skyyler","time":1744664498,"time_ago":"6 days ago","type":"comment","content":"

Yeah. Sometimes college students are older, but that article isn't really evidence that student groups are hitting the streets bashing people based on ethnicity.","comments":[],"comments_count":0,"level":5,"url":"item?id=43686295"}],"comments_count":1,"level":4,"url":"item?id=43686195"},{"id":43686227,"user":"breppp","time":1744664141,"time_ago":"6 days ago","type":"comment","content":"

I am sure you can read, but apart for the very numerous mentions of violent attacks against Jewish students, we have this quote:

Kates, the head of Samidoun, and leaders of other hard-line pro-Hamas groups, say they don’t randomly attack Jewish people at demonstrations. Rather, they said, protests turn violent due to clashes with the police and run-ins with Jewish counterprotesters who carry Israeli flags and become targets.

“If you were to carry other flags of countries and nations that have committed genocide, one might expect them to be taken away,” Kates told NBC News. “That’s really a very low-level of confrontation for actively going out and supporting the genocide of the Palestinian people.”

That's a pretty straight up claim admission of violence during demonstrations by a student group. This group that was part of the "student's" demonstrations in the universities was later on designated by both USA and Canada as affiliated with the PFLP terror group [1][2]

[1] https://www.canada.ca/en/public-safety-canada/news/2024/10/g...

[2] https://home.treasury.gov/news/press-releases/jy2646","comments":[{"id":43686282,"user":"skyyler","time":1744664417,"time_ago":"6 days ago","type":"comment","content":"

I am asking for simple evidence of something that was claimed to be widespread, but so far no one has presented any.

Can you link me to evidence that a leftist group attacked a student because of their ethnicity?","comments":[{"id":43686324,"user":"breppp","time":1744664635,"time_ago":"6 days ago","type":"comment","content":"

I am lost for words, what kind of evidence will you deem sufficient?

Surely the two students attacked at the start of the article due to wearing yarmulkes in public by a man wearing a keffiyeh is not related to subscribing to a specific ideology","comments":[{"id":43686529,"user":"alabastervlog","time":1744666207,"time_ago":"6 days ago","type":"comment","content":"

The keffiyeh bit reads as really suspect (not saying the student was lying—mistakes are common in these situations) given all the other details of that incident I can find in other sources covering this. That claim appears to be the only connection to the pro-Palestine movement of the attack by a 52 year old white townie whose mugshot reads "homeless"—all of which paints a very different picture.","comments":[{"id":43686737,"user":"breppp","time":1744667698,"time_ago":"6 days ago","type":"comment","content":"

Maybe, I actually believe that the many instances of obvious non college participants does not cast these protestors in a good light

In any case, another example, A US court ruled an organized attack by a leftist group on Jews by physically blocking them from entering the campus if they refused to declare they agree with the "leftist" group

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/judge-rules-jewish-stud...

I believe there's ample evidence that campus life in many american universities was hostile to many jews, and it is enough to watch Claudine Gay congressional hearing to understand they were reluctant to do anything about it","comments":[{"id":43686814,"user":"skyyler","time":1744668328,"time_ago":"6 days ago","type":"comment","content":"

> Those who complied with the protesters’ view were issued wristbands to allow them to pass through, the complaint says, which effectively barred Jewish students who supported Israel

So, just to be clear, it was because they were pro-Israel, and not because they were Jewish.

If it was because they were Jewish, Jewish students that oppose Israeli occupation wouldn’t be allowed through.

Conflating the Jewish identity with support for Israel is a subtle ideological trick, one that Jewish antizionists consider to be antisemitic.","comments":[{"id":43686838,"user":"breppp","time":1744668612,"time_ago":"6 days ago","type":"comment","content":"

Well, a US court ruled that this was exclusion of Jews, not me, but what do you think about this?

https://www.courthousenews.com/jewish-students-harassed-duri...","comments":[{"id":43686904,"user":"skyyler","time":1744669126,"time_ago":"6 days ago","type":"comment","content":"

A US court hasn’t ruled anything on that case yet. It hasn’t been heard yet.

I don’t want to be mean or anything but you aren’t succeeding in convincing me that leftist groups are plotting to attack Jews.","comments":[{"id":43686939,"user":"breppp","time":1744669384,"time_ago":"6 days ago","type":"comment","content":"

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I know that Jewish people are attacked by antisemites. No one is questioning that Jews face race-based hatred, just like Muslims do. Especially after 9/11, Muslims face a lot of antimuslim sentiment here.

I am questioning the notion that leftist groups on universities are doing antimuslim or antijewish activities.

The article you linked writes this about the perpetrator of the attack you're referencing here: "The man, whom police later identified as Jarrett Buba, a 52-year-old white man from Pittsburgh"

That doesn't really sound like a leftist student protestor to me. I was told that leftist student protestors are attacking people based solely on their ethnicity, so I'd like some evidence of this.","comments":[{"id":43686388,"user":"breppp","time":1744665142,"time_ago":"6 days ago","type":"comment","content":"

I don't think you want evidence of this, I think you'd like to be combative, therefore I am disengaging","comments":[{"id":43686432,"user":"skyyler","time":1744665450,"time_ago":"6 days ago","type":"comment","content":"

I was very clear about what I wanted to see evidence of at the beginning and my request has not changed since you started engaging:

>What organised group of leftists has attacked a group of people based on their ethnicity? Do you have a link you could share?

I am not being combative; I am requesting evidence of a claim that was made at me.","comments":[{"id":43686546,"user":"breppp","time":1744666295,"time_ago":"6 days ago","type":"comment","content":"

You request me to supply evidence, I can only make a request for you to actually read the article","comments":[{"id":43686554,"user":"skyyler","time":1744666353,"time_ago":"6 days ago","type":"comment","content":"

I did. I didn't see evidence of a leftist student group targeting students based on ethnicity in the article you sent me.

Can you quote the part that talks about this to me?","comments":[],"comments_count":0,"level":11,"url":"item?id=43686554"},{"id":43693317,"user":"chneu","time":1744727553,"time_ago":"5 days ago","type":"comment","content":"

Reading this without a side, all they're asking you is to prove what you said, which is that leftist student groups are being racist/violent/antisemitic in an organized way.

You haven't shown any evidence to support your notion that "both sides the same" in regards to left/liberals banding together to promote their hateful ways.

There is, however, widespread and constant organization on the right to enact hateful/racist/antisemitic rhetoric. One can just go to foxnews for that.

Your argument is weird and I think the majority of people wouldn't buy it.","comments":[{"id":43697530,"user":"breppp","time":1744746366,"time_ago":"5 days ago","type":"comment","content":"

I don't think it really matters if it was organized based on hate for a specific ethnicity, I think for one that the western tradition of antisemitism is so embedded in the culture it is still pretty rampant, but racism is hard to prove today when everyone is disingenuous about it.

What actually matters is that some of the same groups that organized these protests celebrated the massacres in october right afterwards (google SJP october 7). When a student organization supports a massacre that kills a thousand civilians with the added atrocities or further calls for genocide of that group (but only in Israel!), obviously members of that ethnicity will feel threatened

Is that worth restricting free speech for? that's a different question, but the protests could have been done in a less restrictive way for other students and when you compare it to some of the more extreme cases of Title IX investigations, and university administrators saying that calls for genocide of jews is not violations of Harvard policies, you have to ask yourself is free speech really the issue","comments":[{"id":43697558,"user":"skyyler","time":1744746554,"time_ago":"5 days ago","type":"comment","content":"

The claim was "Organized groups of Lefists and Muslims in the US became increasingly violent and started to attack a group of people based on their ethnicity."

I asked for evidence. It has devolved into the message you just wrote, which still does not supply evidence that "Organized groups of Lefists and Muslims in the US became increasingly violent and started to attack a group of people based on their ethnicity."

This is disappointing.","comments":[{"id":43698265,"time":1744750488,"time_ago":"5 days ago","type":"comment","content":"[deleted]","deleted":true,"comments":[],"comments_count":0,"level":14,"url":"item?id=43698265"}],"comments_count":1,"level":13,"url":"item?id=43697558"}],"comments_count":2,"level":12,"url":"item?id=43697530"}],"comments_count":3,"level":11,"url":"item?id=43693317"}],"comments_count":5,"level":10,"url":"item?id=43686546"}],"comments_count":6,"level":9,"url":"item?id=43686432"}],"comments_count":7,"level":8,"url":"item?id=43686388"}],"comments_count":8,"level":7,"url":"item?id=43686369"}],"comments_count":15,"level":6,"url":"item?id=43686324"}],"comments_count":16,"level":5,"url":"item?id=43686282"}],"comments_count":17,"level":4,"url":"item?id=43686227"}],"comments_count":20,"level":3,"url":"item?id=43686122"}],"comments_count":21,"level":2,"url":"item?id=43686042"}],"comments_count":22,"level":1,"url":"item?id=43685913"}],"comments_count":23,"level":0,"url":"item?id=43685876"}],"comments_count":24,"url":"item?id=43685283"}

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