Semi-irrelevant comment, but I think it is required for the wider topic on battle/luxury/comfort zones/etc. I don't like to 'tell people what to do', especially on massive scale. I am of the opinion though that ALL (able) MEN must go basic military training (and why not.. women too).
I have ran one of them 'obstacle courses + distance + mud + pain + cold' some years back. I was by far NOT the stronger man there, and I saw some guys that were STRONG (hulk-smash dudes) and they couldn't crawl in the mud to save their lives, or they were skipping leg day, or.. or.. or.. I could see men that were 'normal/average' with military training and plowed through (perseverance to the max) while gym-boys an gym-girls were (rightfully afraid) of injuries as their bodies were 'too clean'.
So, in my 'checklist' of 'basic military training' (fully able/healthy people should/would/could..)
Know how to crawl and/or spider-walk in the mud/forest/river/etc. for 5km
Know how to climb up & down on a rope.
Know how to use a gun (and never have to).
Know how to carry a wounded/incapacitated person.
Know how to administer (the very) first aid.
Know how to (try and) stop bleeding.
Know how to read a map.
Know/practice rucking with 50kg for a 20km brisk walk (maintain speed 7-8 km/h) on uneven terrain, and no water (speak to your doctor first)
Fast for 3-4 days (just to see what it feels like)(speak to your doctor first)
Thirst for 1-2 days (just to see what it feels like)(speak to your doctor first)
And then...
many of the 'free spirit' people might get a new perspective in life.
many of the city-dwellers might start seeing the benefits on being in/near nature
> Know/practice rucking with 50kg for a 20km brisk walk (maintain speed 7-8 km/h) on uneven terrain, and no water (speak to your doctor first)
Ermm..... This is so far beyond basic militarytraining. Did you mean 5kg? And no water? There are special forces units that wouldn't be able to do this.
Full kit loadout is like 20 kilos, maybe 25-30 if you are the LMG/Nlaw carrier in your unit.
>Fast for 3-4 days (just to see what it feels like)(speak to your doctor first)
>Thirst for 1-2 days (just to see what it feels like)(speak to your doctor first)
No water for 2 days is MUCH worse than no food for 4.
No, there were always ways. Folklore is full of stories of people avoiding being drafted. You can only draft someone who is there (and who is healthy).
> No, there were always ways. Folklore is full of stories of people avoiding being drafted. You can only draft someone who is there (and who is healthy).
And the stories people tell are about the exciting and unusual things. You're not going to have folklore about people being harshly punished for resisting the powers that be, because it the likely outcome and expected.
>Folklore is full of stories of people avoiding being drafted.
Mulan!
Also there was a fellow down the way one time, who caught a talking fish and the fish was like don't eat me, and he said, well I need to because the king needs me fit for military service, and the fish made him lame and go blind right then, so he let the fish go!
You are a free spirit, and the very first to take a bullet in the head when someone (in time of war) will tell/order you "do _this_" and you will say "no". Better a corpse than a naysayer.
I don't know how many here are Iron Maiden fans/listeners, but for those who don't know their work, I propose a read at the lyrics of The Trooper [0]
This is the kind of belief that people with the luxury of choice often assume applies to everyone else.
Semi-irrelevant comment, but I think it is required for the wider topic on battle/luxury/comfort zones/etc. I don't like to 'tell people what to do', especially on massive scale. I am of the opinion though that ALL (able) MEN must go basic military training (and why not.. women too).
I have ran one of them 'obstacle courses + distance + mud + pain + cold' some years back. I was by far NOT the stronger man there, and I saw some guys that were STRONG (hulk-smash dudes) and they couldn't crawl in the mud to save their lives, or they were skipping leg day, or.. or.. or.. I could see men that were 'normal/average' with military training and plowed through (perseverance to the max) while gym-boys an gym-girls were (rightfully afraid) of injuries as their bodies were 'too clean'.
So, in my 'checklist' of 'basic military training' (fully able/healthy people should/would/could..)
And then... many of the 'free spirit' people might get a new perspective in life. many of the city-dwellers might start seeing the benefits on being in/near nature
> Know/practice rucking with 50kg for a 20km brisk walk (maintain speed 7-8 km/h) on uneven terrain, and no water (speak to your doctor first)
Ermm..... This is so far beyond basic militarytraining. Did you mean 5kg? And no water? There are special forces units that wouldn't be able to do this.
Full kit loadout is like 20 kilos, maybe 25-30 if you are the LMG/Nlaw carrier in your unit.
>Fast for 3-4 days (just to see what it feels like)(speak to your doctor first)
>Thirst for 1-2 days (just to see what it feels like)(speak to your doctor first)
No water for 2 days is MUCH worse than no food for 4.
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Your choice was to resist the kings men and die, or take the spear and maybe die.
Well, in the olden days, your choice was between being drafted, or being executed on the spot.
No, there were always ways. Folklore is full of stories of people avoiding being drafted. You can only draft someone who is there (and who is healthy).
> No, there were always ways. Folklore is full of stories of people avoiding being drafted. You can only draft someone who is there (and who is healthy).
And the stories people tell are about the exciting and unusual things. You're not going to have folklore about people being harshly punished for resisting the powers that be, because it the likely outcome and expected.
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>Folklore is full of stories of people avoiding being drafted.
Mulan!
Also there was a fellow down the way one time, who caught a talking fish and the fish was like don't eat me, and he said, well I need to because the king needs me fit for military service, and the fish made him lame and go blind right then, so he let the fish go!
Just have a rich dad and pay a doctor to say you have bone spurs! easy!
You are a free spirit, and the very first to take a bullet in the head when someone (in time of war) will tell/order you "do _this_" and you will say "no". Better a corpse than a naysayer.
I don't know how many here are Iron Maiden fans/listeners, but for those who don't know their work, I propose a read at the lyrics of The Trooper [0]
[0]: https://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/ironmaiden/thetrooper.html
War is hell.
War is worse than hell. In hell there are no innocent bystanders.
Hell technically is a bunch of people who didn't repent. Might be pretty much like normal life, people wise.
Saw Warfare tonight at the cinema. Brutal doesn’t really get very close. Definitely seems like hell.
Where could you possibly get that idea?
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