Comment by dangoodmanUT
3 days ago
HDR is terrible
The fact that you can't turn it off system wide shows the macOS leadership is asleep at the wheel
3 days ago
HDR is terrible
The fact that you can't turn it off system wide shows the macOS leadership is asleep at the wheel
HDR is terribly implemented, in most cases. (Especially Windows)
macOS handles it about the best of the bunch.
What I hate is on Windows, you need to basically explicitly set the program, the OS, and the monitor into an "HDR mode". Then, once you're done, you need to un-set it or the colors and brightness will be screwed up.
That is tedious AF. I refuse to use it until it doesn't require constantly toggling crap on and off.
I think with Windows 11 it's a little easier now. At least, I don't have to do this for playing games in HDR. But I can't take screenshots or record videos this way using most built-in tools. Like window's screencapture tools and steams tools.
https://www.elevenforum.com/t/enable-or-disable-hdr-screensh...
It's actually a setting in snipping tool (unbelievably)
Not to mention the default hdr mapping is just mega bad.
Even nvidias was wrong for a while.
https://www.reddit.com/r/nvidia/comments/1b03yfg/rtx_hdr_pap...
I just want my hdr mapping to work
Agreed. I've used it on my PS4, and all that it accomplished was an annoying screen blank and restart every time I started a game which used HDR. It didn't actually make anything look better. I turned it off after some experimentation and I don't plan to ever mess with it again with how underwhelming it was.
That strikes me as an odd opinion. Surely the colorspaces and display technologies that predate HDR had as much dynamic range as they could reasonably squeeze out of the technology at the time. Is it the brightness specifically that bugs you? I could understand that, although brightness is not directly related to HDR (in the same way that loudness in digital audio is not directly related to bit depth).
Of course I do agree that these things should be configurable. And on my MacBook Pro, I can set the built-in display to sRGB. Is that option not available on your particular Mac and display?
> That strikes me as an odd opinion. Surely the colorspaces and display technologies that predate HDR had as much dynamic range as they could reasonably squeeze out of the technology at the time.
Some of it was just bad historical decisions. In particular SDR video only uses the values 16-235 instead of 0-255 because of some NTSC compatibility thing I don't quite remember. That's a huge loss!
I love HDR for movies/shows on OLED but other than that I agree. It really sucks you can't disable HDR in apps like Netflix etc. It does look terrible on non OLED TVs. In Chrome you can force a specific color profile in the settings. I believe sRGB shouldn't allow HDR content.
Personally I think the biggest benefit of HDR is not even those super bright annoying colors but 10-12 bit colors and the fact that we can finally have dark content. If you look at movies from 10-20 years ago everything is so damn bright.
> The fact that you can't turn it off system wide shows the macOS leadership is asleep at the wheel
You totally can, at least on Apple's XDR displays.
Just go to System Settings -> Displays -> Preset and change it from "Apple XDR Display (P3-1600 nits)" (or whatever) to "Internet & Web (sRGB)". You lose the ability to change screen brightness (I assume because you're locked to reference brightness), but HDR is fully off.
That option only works with Apple's XDR enabled displays (internal and external). For non-Apple external displays with HDR10, there's a separate "High Dynamic Range" toggle in the display settings in the display. On some Intel macs, if you open Display preferences while holding down the Option key, another option appears to disable simulated HDR. I'm not sure how to disable simulated HDR on the internal display of current Macbook Airs.
thanks for the clarification