Comment by pjmlp

One of the reasons I kept around Java and .NET ecosystems on my toolbox, regardless of their lack of coolness by modern coffee shop coding standards, is exactly the traces of Smalltalk/Lisp development experience that somehow are part of the tooling and runtime capabilities.

By the way, it is relatively easy to plug a debugger into a running container in a Kubernetes pod.

Yeah too many folks pretending their systems are UNIX in 1980's, and not aware of what is available.