Comment by ModernMech
2 days ago
Here's a video of Musk doing the same gesture as a group of avowed neo Nazis:
https://www.fastcompany.com/91266228/musk-roman-salute-histo...
That's a practiced and very intentional Nazi salute, don't tell me otherwise. He put his back foot into that.
Like I said, if a person does that salute, Godwin goes out the window and it's time to presume they are a Nazi until proven otherwise.
> Unless you think Tim Waltz, AOC and everyone else who did that is a Nazi.
Do you have video that shows the same thing as the link I provided? I bet you don't.
>> Unless you think Tim Waltz, AOC and everyone else who did that is a Nazi.
> Do you have video that shows the same thing as the link I provided? I bet you don't.
Of course I do. Everyone does. I’m sure you have seen a bunch of them.
https://x.com/wildbarestepf/status/1881841494925201840
https://x.com/joshwalkos/status/1882228610712658356
https://x.com/gunthereagleman/status/1917160882146070869
If you don’t like these there are many others. But I bet you have already seen them and you just don’t care.
Trying to equate any random hand gesture that just happens to have their arm extended at some point isn't fooling anyone, but it's a strong signal for your true feelings on the matter so I appreciate the time-saving part of it.
> Trying to equate any random hand gesture that just happens to have their arm extended at some point isn't fooling anyone
Yes, exactly. You understand the bald faced lie of the people trying to pretend they think Elon Musk is a Nazi.
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> Of course I do.
What I had said was "shows the same thing as the link I provided". In the link is a video of a neo nazi group doing a Nazi salute, which consists of two strokes:
1) hand on heart
2) thrust hand outward from body
Which is exactly the 1-2 gesture that Musk makes. Juxtaposing the neo Nazi group and Musk doing the salute at the same time makes clear just how similar they are.
As for your proof, what you have brought is as follows:
1) AOC waving her hand across her body three times. When juxtaposed next to the neo Nazis, it's clear what she is doing is not what they are doing.
2) Tim Walz pats his chest twice and then outstretches his hand in a wave. This again is not the 1-2 gesture heart->outstretch arm that the neo Nazis do.
3) A still of a man with his arm outstretched. Obviously not the 1-2 motion because there is no motion at all.
So far, you have no examples that demonstrate people doing the gesture that the neo Nazis are doing. Yet we do have a video of Musk doing the same gesture the neo Nazis are doing.
But fine, for the sake of argument, let's take the best example, Tim Walz, and just presume what he did is exactly a Nazi salute. What I had said was, now the presumption is Nazi until proven otherwise. So then let's look at both men and see if they exhibit other prevalent behaviors that Nazis exhibit.
What are Nazis best known for? Unbridled megalomania. Is Elon Musk a megalomaniac? Yes, he clearly is. He's quoted as saying empathy is a weakness. He's quoted saying if we want minerals there's nothing other countries can do to prevent us from orchestrating a coup to get them. His leadership style is decidedly authoritarian. Checking a lot of Nazi boxes.
Meanwhile Tim Walz is not a megalomaniac. He was democratically elected and follows the rule of law. He ran in a free and fair election, lost, and didn't foment an insurrection. He leads by example and building consensus rather than fiat and sheer force of will. Not a lot of Nazi behavior exhibited...
> But I bet you have already seen them and you just don’t care
Another wrong bet, I've seen everything under the sun and nothing yet has come close the what Musk is doing. That's because Musk is doing the real actual genuine thing, and these "gotchas" are people bending over backwards to try to normalize genuine Nazis.
> What I had said was "shows the same thing as the link I provided".
Which showed Elon raising his hand.
> In the link is a video of a neo nazi group doing a Nazi salute, which consists of two strokes:
> 1) hand on heart
> 2) thrust hand outward from body
Oh you wanted the specific 'new' gesture of some weird group of people, rather than a traditional Nazi salute? Why is that?
> 1) AOC waving her hand across her body three times.
So raising her palm in a traditional nazi salute. You don't want a traditional nazi salute though, you want the new nazi salute.
> When juxtaposed next to the neo Nazis, it's clear what she is doing is not what they are doing.
Yes it’s only similar to traditional nazis.
> 2) Tim Walz (1) pats his chest twice and then (2) outstretches his hand in a wave.
> This again is not the 1-2 gesture heart-
>outstretch arm that the neo Nazis do.
Sure looks like it to me. I added one and two to help you spot it.
> What I had said was, now the presumption is Nazi until proven otherwise.
That's silly. You know that's silly.
> What are Nazis best known for? Unbridled megalomania.
This doesn't seem logical. Many people want power, and are not nazis.
> He's quoted as saying empathy is a weakness.
No. He is saying people exploit empathy. You know that and are truncating the quote.
> He's quoted saying if we want minerals there's nothing other countries can do to prevent us from orchestrating a coup to get them.
lol the "we will coup whoever we want?" remark? It was a joke, in reply to an online conspiracy theorist that tweeted "You know what wasn’t in the best interest of people? The U.S. government organizing a coup against Evo Morales in Bolivia so you could obtain the lithium there.". As on online conspiracy theorist you should already know this.
> Meanwhile Tim Walz is not a megalomaniac. He was democratically elected
Wait - he wanted power? I thought you meant that meant he was a megalomaniac?
> didn't foment an insurrection
Nobody fomented an insurrection. Some dickheads had a riot, even though Trump told them to stop. Stop watching MSN and CNN - the lefts equivalent of Fox - and read something mainstream center like WSJ.
> (Walz doesn't rule by fiat)
How do you know? Do you work for Walz?
>> But I bet you have already seen them and you just don’t care
> Another wrong bet, I've seen everything under the sun
So a right bet. You have seen AOC and Walz make salutes that equally could be determined to be Nazi by the same silly comnspiracy theorists, don't care because you have decided Elon is a nazi, though a series of bizarre twists like:
- "only a specific red shirted neo nazi group salute counts so AOCs salute is OK but Elons salute is not"
- "Walz two part salute was different from Elon's two part salute"
- A deliberate misquote about 'empathy is a weakness'
- Another misquote from Elon replying to an online conspirary theorist
You manipulate the truth. If one were to following your own logic, since Nazis manipulate the truth, they would conclude that you are a Nazi.
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