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Comment by GuB-42

10 months ago

GP is right, he is not "completely" American in the sense that he is both American and Peruvian because of his dual citizenship. He also spent most of his life outside of the USA.

Which I think is a great thing as the representative of a worldwide religion. Born in the US, an English-speaking country in North America, lived in Peru, a Spanish-speaking country in the South America, then in Italy, an Italian-speaking country in Europe.

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kashunstva  10 months ago

> he is not "completely" American

As for being completely American: dual citizen of U.S. and another country here. On each April 15, the U.S. still considers me completely American even though I haven’t earned a cent there in over a decade. So in an official sense, that moniker sticks to you like Super Glue.

Granted, the new pope may have a wider scope of cultural influences than many, if not a majority of Americans, it sounds like his formative years were spent in the U.S. so I’d call him American.

  • User23  10 months ago

    There’s a really interesting question here. Will the USA claim the right to tax the new pontiff? Likely answer is no, but legally the statute suggests yes. But who knows? There’s never before been a US citizen who is also a foreign sovereign.

    • skissane  10 months ago

      > There’s never before been a US citizen who is also a foreign sovereign.

      Éamon de Valera was born in New York City in 1882, and served as President of Ireland from 1959 to 1973

      Bhumibol Adulyadej was born in Cambridge, Massachusetts in 1927, and served as King of Thailand from 1946 until his death in 2016

      That’s just two US-born individuals who became head of state of another country, there may be more.

      I assume both were US citizens at birth (de Valera was born into poverty, abandoned by his Spanish father, reputedly an artist; Bhumibol‘s father was a student at Harvard)-whether or not they ever formally renounced their US citizenship, I don’t know

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froh  10 months ago

he is completely US American because he was born and raised there and studied there, maths and philosophy amongst other things.

and in addition he is also Peruvian.

so he's more than American. hyper American if you will. and now he's the head of state of the Vatican, too.

a triple whopper of sorts ;-)