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Comment by pydry

7 months ago

Proxy war between two rival imperial power centers dueling for influence over a strategic chunk of land and sea.

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mopsi  7 months ago

From earlier:

  That is, until 10 years later when they have a new narrative about a different military rival. They quietly stop pushing the old narrative and everyone quietly admits the old one was kinda bullshit all along. /---/ It works the same way with people who live under and unthinkingly consume Russian imperialist propaganda too.

It certainly does. The Russian war against Ukraine began with unmarked soldiers, nicknamed "little green men," and Russia denying any involvement, claiming instead that Ukraine was in the midst of a civil war. When the latest Russian weapons appeared in Ukraine, Russia claimed that tourists must've bought them from military surplus stores.

Then we went through a lot of bullshit - that Ukrainian nationalists were committing genocide in Donbas, or that Ukraine was secretly developing nuclear and biological weapons.

Now, 10 years later, the narrative has shifted to how this has always been a major confrontation with the USA and NATO, a "proxy war". No doubt, it will shift many more times. Looking forward to when the current "supreme commander" Putin will be regarded as a failure, much like Gorbachev, and blamed for causing the difficult 2030s.

  • pydry  7 months ago

    It began with a false flag terrorist attack on civilians in Maidan square which was used to usurp a democratically elected president who was extremely popular in the east and south.

    Nobody has ever been jailed for this terrorist attack and all the evidence points to Ukrainian fascists being culpable, including:

    * The Berkut who were there being tried and the trial falling through because all of them were too obviously very far away from the protestor-controlled hotel where the snipers nest was set up.

    * A Ukrainian war hero who had no reason to lie who was there telling people who was responsible (before being thrown in jail).

    * A group of the snipers (mercenaries who were there who never got paid) went public.

    It was as much a proxy war back then, it was just fought under the surface with NGO agitators instead of weapons deliveries.

    • mopsi  6 months ago

      Has there ever been a terrorist attack that was not a "false flag" according to internet loonies? :D

      The fact that you have to make something like this up within the first ten words of your narrative really shows just how detached from reality it is.

      I wonder what narratives will dominate after the war, when reality sets in: hundreds of thousands dead and never returning home; several times as many disabled, many of them severely; the might and pride of the Russian military sunk or blown up; returned soldiers running massive criminal rings like in the 1990s; state budget empty from massive military spending, leaving people to survive on their own as safety nets crumble. Some conspiracy story about snipers 10+ years ago in another country doesn't really cut it, and getting beaten in an imagined confrontation with the "collective West" sounds really pathetic too, especially when the other side didn't even step into the boxing ring. The USAF hasn't flown a single sortie against Russia, yet strategic bombers are already burning on airfields like in the opening hours of Operation Barbarossa.

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