> seems dumb to have electricity needing to be wasted when there is seawater to desalinate
That's a much more complicated problem. On an energy market, you have only one price to look at, and the battery operator can always buy, sell, or hold energy. The article here talks about optimizing this problem at 5-minute to several-hour intervals.
If you drop excess power into desalination, however, now you have two prices to worry about: energy and water. I also doubt we have 5-minute spot markets for water, so the operator must probably commit to some medium-term water delivery regardless of price.
This means that a desalinating firm takes on much more risk. This might still be profitable, but it's a long-term play based on a deep model of expected energy prices (i.e. knowing that energy is "always" almost free at noon in summer) rather than short-term time-shifting.
Desal plants are also extraordinarily expensive and need to operate at very high 'capacity factors' in order to payoff the capital investment that was required to build them. Operating for a a few hours every day because your operating costs are low/negative only works if you don't have a hugely expensive piece of infrastructure depreciating as you wait for those prices to come down.
could we build them different if the goal is just to waste excess energy?
Why couldn’t it just be a giant heating element and some sort of steam condenser at the top and some way to flush it periodically?
It might burn some laughable 3kWh per kg of water, but who cares? every water utility on the coast could add a few megawatts of tea kettles and get opportunistic little splashes of water in volumes small enough they can probably already handle them and the brine discharge would be so small, disperse, and infrequent it’d be easier to deal with, and it’d basically cost nothing
Industrial processes like desalination tend to call for some optimal amount of near 24-7 utilization (barring maintenance and such) for capex reasons and efficiency. You want to use it as much as possible to get the most bang for your buck. The entire reason why there are these excess power periods is because we cannot predict accurately how much power we would really need.
Desalination plants really don’t like being ‘throttled’, and are quite capital intensive. Stopping production for any length of time can even destroy the plant, if not done very carefully. Similar for geothermal, though the specific details are different.
Even free power would likely not be worth using if it was sporadic, and it’s extremely energy intensive. So that really is saying something.
> seems dumb to have electricity needing to be wasted when there is seawater to desalinate
That's a much more complicated problem. On an energy market, you have only one price to look at, and the battery operator can always buy, sell, or hold energy. The article here talks about optimizing this problem at 5-minute to several-hour intervals.
If you drop excess power into desalination, however, now you have two prices to worry about: energy and water. I also doubt we have 5-minute spot markets for water, so the operator must probably commit to some medium-term water delivery regardless of price.
This means that a desalinating firm takes on much more risk. This might still be profitable, but it's a long-term play based on a deep model of expected energy prices (i.e. knowing that energy is "always" almost free at noon in summer) rather than short-term time-shifting.
Desal plants are also extraordinarily expensive and need to operate at very high 'capacity factors' in order to payoff the capital investment that was required to build them. Operating for a a few hours every day because your operating costs are low/negative only works if you don't have a hugely expensive piece of infrastructure depreciating as you wait for those prices to come down.
could we build them different if the goal is just to waste excess energy?
Why couldn’t it just be a giant heating element and some sort of steam condenser at the top and some way to flush it periodically?
It might burn some laughable 3kWh per kg of water, but who cares? every water utility on the coast could add a few megawatts of tea kettles and get opportunistic little splashes of water in volumes small enough they can probably already handle them and the brine discharge would be so small, disperse, and infrequent it’d be easier to deal with, and it’d basically cost nothing
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Industrial processes like desalination tend to call for some optimal amount of near 24-7 utilization (barring maintenance and such) for capex reasons and efficiency. You want to use it as much as possible to get the most bang for your buck. The entire reason why there are these excess power periods is because we cannot predict accurately how much power we would really need.
Desalination plants really don’t like being ‘throttled’, and are quite capital intensive. Stopping production for any length of time can even destroy the plant, if not done very carefully. Similar for geothermal, though the specific details are different.
Even free power would likely not be worth using if it was sporadic, and it’s extremely energy intensive. So that really is saying something.