The point is that you should try to be factually correct without worrying about what it means you're defending. (Well, you don't have to if you don't want to, but it's at least a reasonable way for someone to behave.)
> If this was on my 2025 bingo card I think we could have crossed it off a few times with ICE detention facilities and the prison in El Salvador.
Isn't this the motte and bailey thing though? "Putting minorities in camps" has the implication that they're being put into camps because they're minorities. It's meant to invoke the thing the 20th century fascists did where if you're a member of the group you go to the camps, and moreover if you go to the camps you never come back.
Meanwhile ICE is detaining people because they're suspected of being in the country illegally, and then deporting them.
They suck at it, as usual, so some of the people aren't actually in the country illegally, but most of them are, and then when the government screws up the courts slowly get around to sorting it out. Which is a process that has maybe been in need of reform for quite a while now -- in particular it would be nice to see the government paying for its mistakes more often, and for the "unscrew this up" process to take less time -- but those aren't novelties only now being introduced, they're longstanding problems.
> then eventually we escalate all the way to the point we actually escalated to, where people have said in all seriousness that Trump might try to put minorities in camps *and murder them*.
I think the author is fair to say that that's an exaggeration of what most people suggested Trump would do.
https://open.substack.com/pub/astralcodexten/p/if-its-worth-...
Bold move using a post about absolute factual correctness in all situations to defend the current US administration.
The point is that you should try to be factually correct without worrying about what it means you're defending. (Well, you don't have to if you don't want to, but it's at least a reasonable way for someone to behave.)
> If It's Worth Your Time To Lie, It's Worth My Time To Correct It
Amazing. Thanks for sharing.
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> If this was on my 2025 bingo card I think we could have crossed it off a few times with ICE detention facilities and the prison in El Salvador.
Isn't this the motte and bailey thing though? "Putting minorities in camps" has the implication that they're being put into camps because they're minorities. It's meant to invoke the thing the 20th century fascists did where if you're a member of the group you go to the camps, and moreover if you go to the camps you never come back.
Meanwhile ICE is detaining people because they're suspected of being in the country illegally, and then deporting them.
They suck at it, as usual, so some of the people aren't actually in the country illegally, but most of them are, and then when the government screws up the courts slowly get around to sorting it out. Which is a process that has maybe been in need of reform for quite a while now -- in particular it would be nice to see the government paying for its mistakes more often, and for the "unscrew this up" process to take less time -- but those aren't novelties only now being introduced, they're longstanding problems.
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You misquoted the author. What he said was:
> then eventually we escalate all the way to the point we actually escalated to, where people have said in all seriousness that Trump might try to put minorities in camps *and murder them*.
I think the author is fair to say that that's an exaggeration of what most people suggested Trump would do.
I'm not defending them here? I'm saying we need to be specific in our criticism, which Graphene didnt do in their claim.
What would be unspecific about slagging another project claiming to be open source where their build target is trust me, bro.
So hypothetical if Google are in the right, no one should defend them because of their monopoly / duopoly status?
Classic HN contrarian take here