Comment by tehjoker
2 days ago
Genocidal comment. It is well known the stats are an undercount due to the genocidal starvation, disease, and deprivation, collapsing buildings on people that are never counted, and the many videos of e.g. Israelis burning children alive in tents.
"True death toll from conflict in Gaza is 41% higher than reported, study estimates" https://www.bmj.com/content/388/bmj.r73
What makes the comment "genocidal" exactly?
"most are combatants" serves to justify the ongoing genocide when the opposite is true in reality. The reality is most combatants are underground so Israel bombs civilians. This is in line with its war goals of ethnically cleansing Gaza so there is no contestation of its colonial claims.
Currently, Israel and the United States are luring starving Gazans with a pittance of aid into kill boxes using the intelligence front "Gaza Humanitarian Foundation". It's sick and depraved.
Nazi ideology is popular in Gaza and they learned many lessons from its chief propagandist Goebbels. From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Dresden
"a new leaflet with photographs of two burned children was released under the title "Dresden—Massacre of Refugees", stating that 200,000 had died."
"doctored with an extra zero to increase [the total dead from the raid] to 202,040"."
Israel-Palestine war will be notorious not for the mass casualties but for the massive, well preparared propaganda war. This will be studied for generations. Israel truly failed to counter this threat (among others) and is totally unprepared.
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> "most are combatants" serves to justify the ongoing genocide when the opposite is true in reality.
I disagree with that part of the comment (and said so), but disagreed on a factual statement does not make a comment genocidal.
> The reality is most combatants are underground so Israel bombs civilians. This is in line with its war goals of ethnically cleansing Gaza so there is no contestation of its colonial claims.
This is simply false. Despite the common view of the world, outside of isolated incidents, there is almost no evidence that Israel intentionally targets civilians for bombing. It accepts civilian casualties, but only given a valid military target.
You can say a lot of bad things about what Israel is doing, and I do so. I'm against the current war and have very negative views of a lot of Israeli actions. But you're thinking things that you have no evidence for (and lots of evidence against).
> Currently, Israel and the United States are luring starving Gazans with a pittance of aid into kill boxes using the intelligence front "Gaza Humanitarian Foundation". It's sick and depraved.
This is both wrong, and doesn't make much sense. Why would Israel need to "lure" Gazans into kill boxes to kill them? Many/most are clustered together in refugee tents. If Israel were truly fine with bombing civilians, it could easily bomb these centers. Why would it need to "lure" anyone anywhere?
Here's an alternative possibility - Hamas, which the Gazan people themselves hate and are protesting daily, has been using aid to keep control of the population, by stealing it and selling it to civilians. The GHF is threatening this model, so Hamas is doing everything it can to get rid of it - including threatening its personnel (this is on record as having happened), and including causing problems, up to and including shooting Palestinians to make the operation of the GHF look bad.
What makes you so sure this isn't what's happening?
(Personally, I think the truth is somewhere in the middle and I don't know where exactly it is. This clearly threatens Hamas and they clearly have lots of incentives to make it fail, and have clearly tried to do so... but it's also possible that the criticisms of the GHF are correct, that it's poorly conceived and poorly run, and works in a dehumanizing way that has no chance to serve the population aid in an effective manner.)