Comment by sdeframond

> ORM feels like an abstraction on top of an abstraction. I don't trust that those who chose ORMs have studied and exhausted the possibilities of the two underlying layers, I feel more often than not they recourse to higher layers of technology without understanding the lower level.

I agree with that. However I feel that teams that choose not to use an ORM end up having one somehow reimplemeted by the seniors, and just used as you describe by the juniors.

I'd rather have the seniors master an existing ORM and spend their time elsewhere.