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Comment by bowsamic

8 months ago

It’s not overrated if you want to know the universal truths of reality, which is what the person I replied to spoke of. The truth is fully reasonable

> The truth is fully reasonable

Doesn’t this effectively hand wave away the hard problem of consciousness?

i.e. even a purely reason-based understanding of truth must acknowledge that the only thing we can be certain actually exists is the mind. With no true understanding of how the mind functions, and giant gaps in our understanding of existence, the idea that universal truth can even be comprehended — much less mapped wholly onto humans capacity for reason - is just a belief. An article of faith.

It seems to me that a purely reason-based worldview must by definition acknowledge that a statement like “the truth is fully reasonable” is untenable at worst and at best just a prediction.

  • We don’t need to understand how the mind works to derive the necessary metaphysical categories. That’s something Kant got wrong

    • I'm not sure upon what basis you think such a claim can be definitively made. Nor does declaring "Kant got this wrong" help the argument.

      For sake of argument, let's say the simulation hypothesis is true. Would you acknowledge that the implications of such a thing being true would have vastly different metaphysical properties than other hypotheses, e.g. "consciousness is a fundamental property of existence and all matter is conscious"?

      The mind is literally the only thing we can be certain exists. We've made so much progress scientifically mapping the territory available for us to explore, that I think many people have lost sight of the vastness of the gap between what we actually know and what we have yet to understand.

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  • To me, it is just obviously wrong. Reality is not reasonable and it is actually unreasonable that we would even expect reality to be reasonable.

    Our reason is a highly flawed instrument that we have pushed far past what it was designed for.

    We have done an amazing job though as these social machines that live in various collective social delusions.

    Seeing these collective delusions and the unreasonableness of reality is exactly the point of taking psychedelics.

    Forget LSD, ask anyone who has taken salvia divinorum to describe how unreasonable reality can be lol.

    • How can you conclude that reality is not reasonable? That’s a straight up contradiction. If it were unreasonable you’d be unable to conclude that