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Comment by andsoitis

8 months ago

> But the idea itself is eternal. The idea of the number 1 doesn’t “need” the universe.

Ideas are mental concepts, thoughts, or notions that exist in the mind.

As far as we know, there’s no evidence of mind-independent ideas. We can only access ideas through our minds, so we have no way to verify they exist without minds.

Is an LLM "a mind"? They certainly seem to encode brain-independent ideas.

> We can only access ideas through our minds, so we have no way to verify they exist without minds.

Its symmetric. We can also only access the physical world through our minds too. We have no way to verify it exists without a mind. Actually we have no way to verify it exists at all in the form we perceive it - since it might just be a big simulation.

In that sense, I have more direct evidence of my ideas than I do the world, since I can perceive ideas directly. (I say "my ideas" not "our ideas" because I can't tell as easily if you exist.)

  • This is trivially untrue.

    If you see a large enough, dangerous-looking enough animal in person and up close, you will respond physically without a single thought or idea. If you didn't, evolutionarily you wouldn’t exist.

    This is because you are parallel systems. Ideas are not primary experience.