Comment by Mo3
8 months ago
These are not normal reactions to being under the influence of psychedelics but latent mental illness being activated.
8 months ago
These are not normal reactions to being under the influence of psychedelics but latent mental illness being activated.
That they can activate latent mental illnesses that wouldn't be activated otherwise is the main risk of psychedelics, and is absolutely a real problem
Activating latent mental illness is a risk of psychedelics, and yet they are still safer in that regard than alcohol and cannabis. There is a lower rate of psychosis being triggered with LSD and psilocybin. This is an education problem: we are (at least sort of) taught in school the risks of drinking too much, and in younger generations, smoking too much weed, but we are taught nothing about when it's appropriate to take psychedelics.
Some recent studies suggest that there is no increase in risk of psychosis from psychedelic use, and at worst, it causes symptoms which would have surfaced anyways to surface sooner. This isn't a reason to take psychedelics of course, it's better that one goes as long as they can without experiencing some sort of schizo-affective disorder.
My point is that people are misunderstanding the risks when they look at psychedelics and go "No way I'm taking that, I don't want to make myself schizophrenic", and then don't bat an eye when they drink a glass (or two) of wine or smoke a joint.
> they are still safer in that regard than alcohol and cannabis. There is a lower rate of psychosis being triggered with LSD and psilocybin.
Is this adjusted by amount of use? As in, is it possible that it's more likely to trigger latent mental illness with alcohol and cannabis not because they trigger it more effectively, but because they are significantly more widely available, significantly more widely used, and people who consume them consume them in significantly greater amounts?
If you get drunk once, I get high once, and our friend trips on psilocybin once, what is the comparative risk of activating latent mental illness for these events alone?
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The longer I live, the more I find most things in life are just delaying something, and ultimately just death. My teeth are shit, I fix them a little at a time and just pray they don't break down too much before I'm dead. Some of my muscles/tendons bones are getting weaker, I just baby them enough that hopefully I can keep their use to old age.
We hope to push most the bad stuff beyond or as far towards death as possible, and death as far away as possible so long as not too much bad stuff is already happening. The question then becomes at what rate we slow the delay of schizo-affective disorder or some other mental illness. It's coming for all of us, given enough time.
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It happened with someone I know. He tried psychedelics in a weekend at the beach house scenario for the first time as a middle aged man. He liked the experience and then started reading about LSD microdosing, so he decided to try that.
Over the course of a few weeks he began to slide into what was clearly schizophrenic delusions. He became obsessed with what he presumed was a vast conspiracy to murder him and take his money, interpreting ordinary events like someone cutting him off on the highway as being part of this.
Thankfully he's got a good partner and support network, got into therapy, and now is doing fine.
I have a pretty live and let live attitude over psychedelics, but I do hate when aficionados pretend there aren't risks or downsides.
On a less dramatic scale I know people who've tried it and hated it, and that's very much a possible outcome as well. It's crappy when aficionados flip that around into somehow being a square or whatever.
It is quite irresponsible to take a psychedelic drug and then drive a car.
So called microdosing of psychedelics is generally rubbish, the way they're distributed means you have no idea whatsoever what dose you're actually taking and if you want to live with a 5-HT2a tolerance, just go on a trip dose and you're good for a few months.
Edit: And with some of these substances one should expect cardiac toxicity if dosing every day, due to serotonin receptors in the heart.
My one experience with psilocybin was the only time in my life I've ever confronted the fragility of my mental and emotional wellbeing in such a sudden way. Drastically different from other psychedelics I've experienced. MDMA is pure bliss - psilocybin is something I won't go near without professional guidance.
MDMA is extremely mild on the psychedelic side compared to psilocybin, lsd, dmt, etc.. not to mention it floods you with "happy/safe" feelings which makes for a generally easy experience.
The others can really get you..
I've experienced what I thought was being at the gates of hell on all of them at least once.. The gratitude I felt at the conclusion of those trips lasted for months =p
It's also a marked risk of "social media", "being in a crowd", "being alone" ... you don't understand mental illness, don't use it as a crutch for your ill informed prohibitionist memespreading.
Consuming any substance really comes down to one thing:
Do you want to "feel" yourself more, or do you want to feel yourself less?
Many people are not interested (or ready) to feel themselves more. And when they do, they might not like what they find.
That's pretty simplistic, and doesn't come close to explaining the complex interactions of drugs. Caffeine, Zoloft, LSD, Meth, Heroin, and PCP all have wildly different effects that can't be boiled down to "feeling yourself".
"latent mental illness" sounds like a tagline for the human condition.
It also sounds like blaming its risks on "user error"
They are 'classic newbie mistakes', but they are not normal? The drug messing with your neural pathways, messing with those particular neural pathways, is not normal, but rather just activates 'latent' messed-with-ness? This sounds like words without meaning.
Or just someone who is mentally ill taking psychedelics.