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Comment by cosmic_cheese

5 days ago

What I’d like to see is hard separation of roads and bike lanes. As a cyclist, nothing but a line painted on the road makes me feel unsafe, as a driver it’s difficult to not get nervous when passing a cyclist in the lane, and culturally drivers are generally favored over cyclists which results in things like parking in bike lanes not being adequately enforced. All these things would be solved by bike lanes being fully independent from the road.

> What I’d like to see is hard separation of roads and bike lanes.

That's a great idea, as long as the hard separation goes both ways with bikes no longer being allowed in car lanes.

  • If you can keep up with traffic and behave like traffic on a given road then I see no reason not to let you mingle with traffic.

    Yes this means you can drive a scissor lift or mobility scooter in stop and go rush hour crap. Whatever, I guess that's fine.

    • > If you can keep up with traffic

      The biggest problem I have with cyclists on the road is that they almost always ride where they can't keep up with traffic.

  • Why? I don't get this "gotcha". Is there any actual rational reason for making such rules, or is it stemming from some annoyance from seeing cyclists in the road?

    There already exists roads where cyclists can't be: Highways/motorways. If the problem is cyclists in the road, that solves itself by building better infrastructure. Where there's adequate cycling infrastructure, cyclists prefer to use it. Where there's lacking or none, one should of course be able to use the road. Otherwise it would be a de facto ban on cycling, which I'm sure was your point?

    • > Is there any actual rational reason for making such rules, or is it stemming from some annoyance from seeing cyclists in the road?

      It's from a combination of getting stuck behind cyclists going really slowly and with no opportunity to pass them, and from so much blatantly illegal behavior by them like running red lights without even slowing down.

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  • Doable, but would probably require bike paths to be wider than they currently are and split into two lanes: one for road bikers and one for everybody else.