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Comment by dcow

1 month ago

And how do you technically stop an ISP from using the radio in their hardware to detect small changes in phase angle of signals in your home?

Own your own hardware is how.

Comcast cannot administer my router/AP or modem.

Some other ISP's like AT&T force you to use their gateway. I try and avoid these companies or severely limit the functions of the built in gateway.

  • And how do you force all consumers to buy their own privacy hardware?

    Edit: sorry my question is not strictly how one person would mangle their hardware so it breaks presence detection, it’s how the tech industry would develop an at scale everyday consumer solution to this problem.

    • Require certain disclosures to be made in not so fine print.

      Require that each privacy waiver is individually initialed, per clause, in wet ink.

      This shit would end tomorrow if they had to start delivering modems with 1 inch high letters that said "THIS DEVICE WILL TRACK YOUR LOCATION WITHIN YOUR HOME AND SHARE THAT DATA WITH LAW ENFORCEMENT WITHOUT YOUR KNOWLEDGE", and the modem didn't work until you went down to the Comcast store to sign your rights away.

      You don't have to force anything except taking this knowledge out of the fine print and prove that your customers are actually aware of the contractual clauses they are subject to.

      The tech industry could come together and come up with a privacy standard guarantee that device manufacturers could use (Something as simple as, we will never share data with law enforcement unless legally compelled).

      There's a lot of solutions, ranging from technical (firmware update) to social (pass some laws with teeth).

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Some ISPs allow you to bring your own modem, so there wouldn't be any hardware other than your own and whatever they install to bring it into your home.

You attach large sacks of potatoes to the ceiling fans and lighting fixtures that are connected to strings and random timers to move them. The potato bags perfectly simulate human motion.

Every house should look like a party of 50.

Invest in potatoes

Disconnect and ground the antenna and supply your own equipment?

  • I thought we were talking about a solution that the tech industry could implement and deploy en masse to users, because it’s just, like TLS and browser standards. That’s usually what is being discussed when these give everyone privacy topics come up. The people that care enough to ground their antenna are already using their own hardware. And the ISP will deter hardware modification by charging you for damaged leased hardware. Or you’ll be in an arms race where the ISP’s firmware will flag the unit as defective because the radio doesn't work and cut off access till you fix it.

    I guess you could put it in a cage. Maybe I should go door to door selling privacy cages. Do people pay for tinfoil hats these days?

    • >Do people pay for tinfoil hats these days?

      I don't know, how many people that didn't care much about privacy said things like "There is no way the US government would deport US citizens" 7 months ago.