Comment by bayindirh
6 months ago
(1) I think I acknowledged that on my last comment before you have written that.
(2) Learning and copying are different. If we're going to enter to the "but AI learns just like humans" realm, let's please don't, because ML tries to mimic human learning, they are not the same, even remotely.
(3) I don't think I said laws behave differently because "some humans are upset".
(4) I haven't told anything about paying for (AI) art. I don't pay for AI art, but I pay for "real" art, made by humans. I also make art sometimes, and don't use AI/ML while doing that, and don't feed models with my art (I stopped sharing on multiple platforms because of that).
(5) If we presume that every law is "correct, right and forever", then we have another name for it. It's called dogma. Moreover, we have other "unwritten" rules which generally support or sometimes supersede the laws in place, and the word for that it "ethics".
(6) Staying in the subject of law, as somebody else noted [0], scale matters. While doing style transfer for a couple of things might be considered legal, that needs a reconsideration when scale reaches to today's levels possible with generative AI.
(1) Did you really? You pivoted to a version of the argument where "scale matters". That's also not a thing. If scale matters, it doesn't in terms of style. You could conceivably make an argument based on competition, but even that is very hard to prove in court.
(2) "Copying", as in verbatim using/memorizing sizeable chunks of content and suchlike? No, the goal of ML training is to generalize across concepts. I didn't make an argument based on some direct connection to neuroscience, but I also reject the idea that there isn't one.
(3) So it's an irrelevant point. Some people are upset about technology? I honestly don't care.
(4) You said that the big bad corporations are making money. I'm saying that FOSS alternatives are all over the place.
(5) That so? My code of ethics says that Luddites getting steamrolled is an immense moral good.
(6) See (1).
> Some people are upset about technology? I honestly don't care.
> My code of ethics says that Luddites getting steamrolled is an immense moral good.
Looks like it's not possible for us to discuss this further. Not because of your views, but how rigid you are on your beliefs and perspective.
With no hard feelings, I wish that time shows that you're right, all the time.
Have a nice day. :)