Comment by privatelypublic
6 days ago
Did you read the article? "Procedures weren't followed."
Seems like an almost intentional mistake tbh
6 days ago
Did you read the article? "Procedures weren't followed."
Seems like an almost intentional mistake tbh
Procedures can only be ignored for the purpose of installing a police state. Not for consumer benefit.
Yeah not a great article. "failed to follow required procedures under the FTC Act during the rule-making process" but no real details on what the procedures require that the commission did not do.
A trivial search will get you the court opinion itself <https://ecf.ca8.uscourts.gov/opndir/25/07/243137P.pdf>, so regardless of how bad the news article is you should not be uninformed.
From the abstract:
A more detailed explanation:
Notice all of the steps. “advance notice of proposed rulemaking”, “notice of proposed rulemaking”, “preliminary regulatory analysis”, “an informal hearing” plus the ability of concerned parties “to submit written data, views, and arguments” to the FTC, and a “final regulatory analysis”. The court draws our attention to the fact that the FTC never did either of the regulatory analysis steps, and points out that they are required.
The FTC had opted out of doing those analyses on the basis that the new rule would have an annual impact of less than a hundred million dollars. The court however notes that this is quite unlikely:
Thus the FTC erred when it skipped these steps. The remedy is to vacate:
This doesn’t mean that the rule is unconstitutional, just that the FTC has to actually do things correctly. The court hasn’t ruled on the law itself because it is moot.
Thank you! I haven't a way with words to explain this in such a way. I saw that the article quoted the opinion as being based on "they didn't do a study for more than $100m impact, and I find that unlikely.
It'd be interesting/debatable if this was a "look, this was never legal- now we're just painting a bullseye on people doing it- the 100m impact isn't needed" And the judge went with 100m impact anyway. But that's beyond what I know or care to participate in past throwing it out there as a talking point.
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Thanks for the analysis.
Gotta laugh at the threshold being USD100M costs to the affected businesses without the law taking into account how much the annual costs to consumers are, assuming the continuation of the practices.
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Thank you for linking the actual legal text! (if only it weren't super hard to read due to hard wrapping - one of the reasons why HTML is generally better than PDF)
Gotta pay all those data scientists and lawyers the big bucks in order to figure out how to checks notes stop actively preventing customers from canceling your service when they want to.
I'm happy to consult on this with all those poor businesses for under $100,000,000 in order to help the court vibes feel like the cost isn't over the limit.
I feel confident I can affordably write a few whitepapers and design guidelines to help these poor folks out as they research if there should be a cancel button and if it should work.
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You have 2 trump appointees and George hw bush appointee.
Were you expecting respectable and proper jurisprudence? I'm not any more.
It's a pro-business decision by the most conservative court in the land, so it would have been surprising if, in all of jurisprudence, they couldn't find something to squash it with, at least temporarily.
Or motivated reasoning for the court to reach the outcome it wanted.