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Comment by bee_rider

4 days ago

It is weird that “political correctness” has been taken to mean, like, being polite and nice to people or something.

A politically correct answer is one that keeps the currently politically powerful people happy, right? Musk/Trump defined politically correct for a couple months. I guess Musk might be politically incorrect now. Are they friends or enemies today?

"Politically correct" in the US context means essentially the same thing as "woke". In both cases, the word or phrase was adopted first by progressives, then by critics of progressives to refer to progressive beliefs and sensibilities.

It is surprising to find someone that doesn't know that, but would be less surprising if you don't live in the US.

  • > It is weird that “political correctness” has been taken to mean, like, being polite and nice to people or something.

    > "Politically correct" in the US context means essentially the same thing as "woke"

    I think it is (hopefully?) obvious from my comment that I actually do understand what it means in the US context, I was describing the odd situation WRT the US meaning and the origin of the phrase

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_correctness

    > The term political correctness first appeared in Marxist–Leninist vocabulary following the Russian Revolution of 1917. At that time, it was used to describe strict adherence to the policies and principles of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, that is, the party line.

    The politically correct opinions were the ones that agreed with those in power.

    • I knew about the Soviet use, which is why I qualified with "in the US context".

      Every use I've ever heard from a US speaker -- almost certainly over 100 uses, going back to when Reagan was President or maybe a year or 2 after Reagan -- is a reference to progressive beliefs and sensibilities regardless of whether the progressives are in power or not.

      You are introducing your own definition of a phrase that everyone currently agrees on the meaning of. When this is done for no good reason, it is harmful because everyone relies on language to think together, so when the meaning of words get muddied unnecessarily, we get worse at thinking together.

      What, pray, is your reason?

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