Comment by foxyv
1 year ago
Meanwhile the world population has reached 8.2 billion and is still rising. There are plenty of people out there. Just not the kind of people that those in power want.
This is why immigration is so important to the economy of a developed nation. You bring in families from around the world, give them amazing opportunities, then hire them to take care of the elderly and keep the lights on. Instead, our nation is trying to shut the door like a lone hoarder living in a pile of rotting trash.
The downward trend of birth rates applies to both developing and developed countries:
https://www.gapminder.org/answers/how-did-babies-per-woman-c...
This just delays coming up to a solution for what to do when population is declining everywhere. It only works as long as those other countries are poor.
No solution is needed. People are empowered to make the fertility choices they're making. Stop issuing debt that will never be paid back for tax cuts today. Stop building infrastructure that no one will be around to maintain. Stop stealing from the future today. The population decline is not the problem; the socioeconomic systems that exploited a global population boom are. They will be forced to change, they have no other option.
Agreed. It will be a looming problem until we can come up with an economic system that doesn't exploit young workers to prop up the older generation. Once we solve that I imagine that we'll see things stabilize population wise.
Bear in mind that the lingering mass and inertia of big things in a process of slowing down can easily make it seem as if they're still doing fine along a certain path, until they're suddenly not.. I doubt we're going to literally drive ourselves to extinction via ceasing to have children at all, but a diminishing birth rate that goes below replacement levels, and an eventual gigantic demographic shift in age averages and total population are going to possibly be worse for us than having more people.
funny, I thought those in power tend to get what they want?
We often want things that are bad for us. We eat terrible food, smoke, pollute, litter, and generally act like fools. Those in power are no different.
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I'm starting to think that nobody actually has original thoughts anymore. They just have a little button board like those kids toys that say "The cow goes moo." Except everything is drivel like "Hurry up and die so the foreigners can have your home" or "Low IQ immigrants are destroying our country."
Just flag comments like these.
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You can't do race war or religious flamewar on HN. Since your account has a habit of posting like this, we've banned it.
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32975223
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So sounds you are supporting legal immigration like Musk and Trump?
On a global level, fertility is negatively correlated with national IQ, and on a national level it is negatively correlated with individual IQ. Which strongly contradicts what you wrote.
Cite a source for that? There are, in particular, no such thing as "national IQ" numbers.
"National IQ" refers to the average IQ of a country.
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>Just not the kind of people that those in power want.
farm owners don't give a fuck what color the cattle is.
>You bring in families from around the world
and if/when they integrate into the host society, their children will have as few children as the natives
>give them amazing opportunities, then hire them to take care of the elderly
yeah, sure. changing adult diapers. such an amazing opportunity
>This is why immigration is so important to the economy of a developed nation.
exploiting the resources of the undeveloped nations is bread and butter of the developed nations, yeah.
cui bono? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dh2Vh-G3vEk
"yeah, sure. changing adult diapers. such an amazing opportunity"
Nursing and elder care is a field that anyone can respect. Why do you spit on their contribution to society?
I don't spit at the people who do those jobs, I spit at the people who think those jobs are 'amazing opportunities'.
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if it's so respectable why aren't you doing it?
"kids these days don't want to work!" -- then why aren't you showing them how?
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I know that I reply to a post written by someone who refuses to capitalize at my own risk, but
> yeah, sure. changing adult diapers. such an amazing opportunity
You seem to have inadvertently discounted the experiences of people like my dad’s African-born eye doc, who came to this county for the opportunity of medical training which he now uses to make injections into my elderly dad’s eyes every few months.
(Either that or you’re an idiot).
Actually, I read some of your other posts and I think I figured it out.
I think the difference between what you're complaining about the person saying, and what the person is actually saying could be solved by workers getting paid like $5/hour more (AKA a living wage).
The person didn't say anything that contradicts what they're saying other than that you're unhappy with the status quo that is offered to migrant workers. And you're absolutely right. But a more constructive dialogue would be "let's improve the conditions for those people."