Comment by McDyver
1 day ago
It makes sense that people don't want to become citizens and legitimise the entity occupying their country and committing genocide, no?
> In cases where civilians are shot (what Israel defines to be civilians), there are investigations and sometimes even punishments for the perpetrators.
Obviously Israel doesn't consider children to be civilians
> It makes sense that people don't want to become citizens and legitimise the entity occupying their country and committing genocide, no?
I can accept not wanting to be part of that. But in that case, whining about missing democratic representation is just silly, of course you won't be represented if you chose not to be, no matter the reason.
> Obviously Israel doesn't consider children to be civilians
You seem to assume that all children are always civilians, but that is wrong. The articles of war don't put an age limit on being an enemy combatant. If you take up arms, you are a legitimate target, no matter your age. Many armies use child soldiers, and it is totally OK to shoot those child soldiers in a war.
I assume children queuing for food are not soldiers. Yes, yes I do.
If they are killed while they are in uniform and holding a gun during a gunfight, then they are soldiers.
> legitimise the entity occupying their country
What’s country? Palestine never existed as independent country.
Exactly, what's a country?
Israel never existed either, until it was administratively created in 1948. Maybe it shouldn't have been created where other people were already living?
You started with “occupying their country”. Can you tell me what country is that?
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> committing genocide
I've been hearing this for as long as I can remember, yet the population numbers tell a completely different story. It makes no sense to speak of a genocide if the birthrate far outpaces any casualties. In fact, the Palestinian population has been growing at a faster pace than Israeli over the past 35 years (that's how far the chart goes on Google)
Ah, OK. So, in that case they can be killed, but just in a culling kind of way, is that it? Your children can be killed as long as you keep making them?
It tends to be in a defensive or retaliatory way rather than culling. Like things largely peaceful October 6th Hamas kill 1200 Israelis, rape, hostages etc. Israels amazingly enough hits back. Hamas: "help! genocide!"
So genocide hasn’t happened if the population grows?
‘Just adjust the frame of measurement. With this one simple trick, you can remove any genocide.’
https://treaties.un.org/doc/Publication/UNTS/Volume%2078/v78... PDF page 289ff (numbered 277).
> In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:
> (a) Killing members of the group;
> (b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
> (c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
> (d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
> (e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.
The tricky part isn't about (a) to (e), it is in "intent to destroy".
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