Comment by reliabilityguy
2 days ago
> The Palestinians offered peace many times.
Can you list those "many times"?
> The difference is that the Egyptians had a serious army that scared the bejeezus out of the Israelis is 1973. Israel only respects the language of force.
You mean the one that Israel won? You do realize that your argument holds no water for the simple reason that there was like 5-6 years between the war of 1973 and siding of the peace deal? If Egyptian army was so strong, why did they left Sinai in Israeli hands after the war of 1973? If this army was so strong why did they need to sign a peace deal at all?
> Israel has a massive "pay for slay" program. It's called the IDF.
Can you point me to the part of this "program" that increases the pay to IDF soldiers with number of Palestinians they kill?
I think it will be hard for you to find this part for a simple reason -- it does not exist. Service in the IDF is not voluntary, and the salary for every soldier is the same.
Palestinian government-sponsored terrorism is completely different: first of all, you are not forced to participate, and second -- the more you kill, the more money you get.
So, you can continue with these false equivalences but they hold no water, and easy to dispute.
> Can you list those "many times"?
The Palestinians spent most of the 1980s trying to simply get the Israelis to come to the table and talk, and 1990s trying to get the Israelis to agree to a Palestinian state on 1967 borders. The Palestinians were consistently more interested in a peace deal than the Israelis were. The simple reason is that Israel suffers very few negative consequences from its occupation of the Palestinian territories. It has very little incentive to make any peace deal.
> You mean the one that Israel won? You do realize that your argument holds no water for the simple reason that there was like 5-6 years between the war of 1973 and siding of the peace deal?
Israel came very close to defeat in 1973, and had to rely on an unprecedented resupply effort by the United States, which replaced nearly the entire Israeli tank force and much of the airforce within days. The Israelis were aware of their vulnerability after 1973, which is why they entered negotiations with the Egyptians. Negotiations take time, which is why the whole process took several years.
> Can you point me to the part of this "program" that increases the pay to IDF soldiers with number of Palestinians they kill?
The IDF is a massive organization that kills hundreds of Palestinians every day. Every week is another October 7th for the Palestinians, for two years in a row. But you're quibbling about the details of how IDF soldiers get paid, as if that made any moral difference.
> So, you can continue with these false equivalences
I'm not trying to draw any equivalence. The IDF is a thousand times more evil than any Palestinian organization.
> The Palestinians spent most of the 1980s trying to simply get the Israelis to come to the table and talk, and 1990s trying to get the Israelis to agree to a Palestinian state on 1967 borders. The Palestinians were consistently more interested in a peace deal than the Israelis were. The simple reason is that Israel suffers very few negative consequences from its occupation of the Palestinian territories. It has very little incentive to make any peace deal.
So, nothing concrete beyond your opinions not grounded in facts. Okay.
> Israel came very close to defeat in 1973, and had to rely on an unprecedented resupply effort by the United States, which replaced nearly the entire Israeli tank force and much of the airforce within days.
What? How do you replace entire tank force within days from across the globe?? How do you train the crews on new equipment? Why are inventing things that never happened?
> The Israelis were aware of their vulnerability after 1973, which is why they entered negotiations with the Egyptians. Negotiations take time, which is why the whole process took several years.
Realizing that piece is better than constant wars and trading the land for it is a good move. I’m not sure what are you trying to show here.
> But you're quibbling about the details of how IDF soldiers get paid, as if that made any moral difference.
Devil is in the details though, right? :) I know that you cannot have an evidence based discourse because it will be quickly shown that Palestinians incentivize non-conventional terror warfare, while Israelis not.
Getting people paid to kill civilians is immoral.
> I'm not trying to draw any equivalence. The IDF is a thousand times more evil than any Palestinian organization.
Of course not. Making your own people blow themselves up in cafes and buses is immoral.