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Comment by GeekyBear

2 days ago

It's far more weird that NTFS still makes zero effort to maintain file integrity on any level, on internal or external disks.

ReFS exists, so Microsoft knew they needed to do something, but they have utterly failed to protect the vast majority of users.

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protimewaster  2 days ago

To be fair, though, NTFS predates APFS by over 20 years.

Don't get me wrong, there's no reason Microsoft can't transition to another filesystem (like offering ReFS outside of Server or whatever Windows variants support it currently), but I don't understand why a company would transition to a new filesystem in 2016 and not include a data checksums option. Hell, ReFS predates APFS, and I think it even has optional data checksums.

  • GeekyBear  2 days ago

    To be fair, NTFS is still the default Windows 11 filesystem in 2025, and Microsoft still makes zero effort to insure file integrity when you use that default Windows filesystem.

    Handling file integrity in hardware is a big step up.

    • protimewaster  2 days ago

      > Handling file integrity in hardware is a big step up.

      Is there any evidence that Apple actually has better hardware data integrity than anyone else, though? They make claims in the article linked a few posts back, but AFAIK SSDs in general make use of error correcting codes, not just Apple's SSDs.

      That article also points out how even multi-million dollar arrays are known to return bad data, and previous Apple SSD devices have been known to do the same.

      I agree that the state of default filesystems is bad, but I'm not convinced that Apple's hardware solution is anything more than them saying, "Trust me, bro."