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Comment by jjangkke

21 hours ago

we live in a society where we can't really voice, our opinions or grievances towards specific groups or cultures or issues as it is deemed politically incorrect, so a lot of that has moved online, behind anonymity. Anonymity also plays an amplifying role. Larping as the target group and in many instances it becomes even easier to manipulate this much is true, but this is the price of forcing all of the healthy debates away from the off-line world because we fear offending.

The contrast between the online off-line world that the author in the article alludes to is indicative of this. It's the unspoken role where we all know that speaking out has consequences often that impacts are economic well-being. There would be no way to get farm something for which there is no demand for...

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JKCalhoun  21 hours ago

> we live in a society where we can't really voice, our opinions or grievances towards specific groups or cultures or issues as it is deemed politically incorrect

I'm not sure what that means when I see people say that.

Is it "People don't like it when I'm a dick so I have to hide when I do it?"

Because if it's not that, just say what you think. I'd like to think I do, in public with co-workers, etc. They judge me then by that and I kind of deserve their judgement (which ever way it goes).

  • throw10920  18 hours ago

    There's constant examples of the trend that GP pointed out happening all the time. I'm pretty surprised that someone with so much internet activity hasn't noticed.

    For instance, just a few days ago, a very popular TikTokker doxxed a father and asked his followers to report that father to CPS to try to get his kids taken away for expressing an opinion that they didn't like. That opinion? That children can't consent. The TikTokker isn't in jail, and he didn't lose his platform or otherwise suffer any consequences, because even though he did an extremely evil thing, his opinion was aligned with the "politically correct", and the father's opinion was "politically incorrect".

    There are many, many instances of this happening - I've both seen them online, and witnessed it personally.

    If you haven't seen it yourself, you're probably in a social bubble.

    • JKCalhoun  15 hours ago

      I must be in a social bubble then. (Def don't Tik Tok.)

      I dox myself by using my real name, talk about where I live, my age, etc. — all the time. I like to think that also keeps me honest — keeps me from not posting something I wouldn't say to someone's face.

    • NoPicklez  18 hours ago

      I guess the difference is under law what you are and aren't allowed to do online.

      Here in Australia since 2024 it is illegal to dox someone online and it is considered a criminal offence. So that father would have the ability to press charges against that Tiktoker. Might be challenging if one of them is outside of said country law.

    • const_cast  12 hours ago

      "Children can't consent" isn't a politically incorrect opinion. It's very much politically correct. This feels like a lede was buried, and quiet deep!

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  • mousethatroared  21 hours ago

    Or, it's criminal everywhere in the West except the USA. And not just dick opinions, pointing out the German politicians are not too bright has been criminalized now.

cjs_ac  21 hours ago

I think a big part of why influencers like Andrew Tate can speak unchallenged on social media is that anyone with the life experience, wisdom and social-media-savvy needed to be a better online role model for young men knows perfectly well that, due to the dynamics of such discourses, becoming that online role model will utterly destroy their life.

tokinonagare  21 hours ago

I agree, but even online is now heavily censored. It's harder and harder to find a place to express even slightly non-PC opinions. In my opinion this is not gonna produce good results in the long run.

  • genghisjahn  21 hours ago

    What's a slightly non-pc opinion that's hard to find online?

    • zdragnar  20 hours ago

      I think there's a difference between an opinion being hard to find, and a place to express the opinion being hard to find.

      The more suppressed a view is, the more extreme the place where that view is allowed ends up being.

      Those places don't normally allow rational debate either. They're just a different kind of toxic, and have their own rules for what will get you dog piled.

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delusional  20 hours ago

You're way underplaying the aplifying role of anonymity and connectedness. I have not observed a decrease in peoples willingness to discuss "politically incorrect" topics in real life out of fear.

I have however observed an increasing intolerance for diverging opinions, especially coming from the "politically incorrect" group.

They are not afraid of being called out, they have become intolerant of being called out.

  • try_the_bass  20 hours ago

    I don't know that I agree with this. I think my information bubble is largely liberal-flavored, and my experience doesn't align with this. I've instead found that those who otherwise embody the most "political correctness" are often the least tolerant of having their views challenged. In fact, my experience has been that the more vocally "progressive" a user is, the more likely they are to resort to cheap zingers and gotchas (politically-correct ones, of course) when their views are challenged (even politely!), instead of engaging in a cooperative way.

    I saw this the most in the pre-Musk Twittersphere, but it has metastisized since then. Of course, it's unclear if these types are genuine, trolls, or simply a product of the medium itself, so take it with a grain of salt.

    > You're way underplaying the aplifying role of anonymity and connectedness

    Fully agree with this, though. I suspect this draws out the worst behavior regardless of professed political/moral affiliation

    • int_19h  18 hours ago

      Left-wing fediverse is a good illustration, too. The way things work on Mastodon, if you try to spin up a node, you quickly find out that many such nodes will ban you e.g. simply because you run Pleroma (because it's "made by fascists for fascists"), or even just because your block list doesn't have a sufficient similarity to theirs.

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    • delusional  12 hours ago

      A hasty edit left out an important caveat of my prior comment. I was talking about my experience in real life.

      Online I would say that every discussion across the political spectrum seems to be dominated by intolerance. Also the left, I agree.

      I'm specifically concerned with how those communities affect the real world people I talk to outside of the internet, and there I find that the "anti PC" crowd takes their philosophy along with them much more readily.