Comment by sorcerer-mar
11 hours ago
No but the living conditions were atrocious, dangerous, unsanitary, and probably quite psychologically traumatizing (e.g. kids growing up in households where adults would have sex in the same room have all sorts of problems)
Edit: Since HN contrarians who'd never want their children living in some particular conditions find it so confusing how others might not too:
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S01452...
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3805127/
Overcrowded living quarters is a well known vector for a huge array of problems. Academic underachievement, sexual abuse, substance abuse, mood disorders, abusive relationships, the list goes on. Even after controlling for socioeconomic status!
Sure, to my western/puritanical upbringing that is weird, but I suspect for the majority of human history: parents have being having sex in very close proximity to their children. Separate bedrooms, even separate beds are a modern luxury.
> but I suspect for the majority of human history: parents have being having sex in very close proximity to their children.
Putting aside how true such a claim is... just because something was a thing for most of human history doesn't mean it doesn't cause issues.
> just because something was a thing for most of human history doesn't mean it doesn't cause issues
I suspect they had far more important things to worry about - like getting enough food.
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The issue is that we raise kids into this world, and not a different time and place. They grow up to be maladapted to this world.
You are suggesting it’s maladapted if they go and do the same thing in their own families later? Why should they care about what the majority thinks is good and normal?
i always drag this one out: For a lot of modern history, public hangings were a family affair. Pack up a picnic and go downtown to watch a man hang.
> then exposing people to violence in their daily life is bad
Oh my god yes, and we’re doing such a great job of that aren’t we? We have gratuitous violence on demand now.
Public hangings are fine compared to what I see on TV/Netflix.
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Yes, and that was bad. If you prefer a society free of violence (I do), then exposing people to violence in their daily life is bad.
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Everything is traumatizing to these people. Their mother told them to hold the bottle for their baby sister. Oh no, what is this? Is this Parentification, the Source of More Trauma? Despite the fact that the elder sibling would prefer to sleep, perchance to dream-- and there lies the rub! For in that sleep, what trauma comes!