Comment by landl0rd
2 days ago
Hard agree on pumped hydro and other forms of grid-scale storage, but can you understand concerns around batteries? There are environmental ones on the mining/metals side, but producing and disposing of them in a clean manner is often hard. Getting them from anywhere save mostly china is hard (if you want large, dense, affordable, and grid-scale options) and depending on somebody who's nobody's geopolitical friend is probably a bad idea.
Ditto for the panels themselves.
> but can you understand concerns around batteries?
No I can't. Just recycle the batteries, and you've solved both concerns in one go. Lead acid batteries have a >99% recycling rate, the economics for recycling EV & grid storage batteries are even better.
"Just Recycle the batteries" is a massive understatement of the effort involved. The economics of Recycling ev batteries is autrocious. (They're glued into the frame of the car (differently for each model), needing manual dissasembly to not risk fire)
It took 20 years of standardisation and effort to raise lead acid batteries to 99%, and they're as simple as batteries get. Large scale recycle of litium batteries (including the cobalt and nickel) requires changes in how batteries are made to be (either or both) less energy dense and more expensive.
Pumped hydro is the best bet for gridscale. And i'm hoping sodium batteries roll out for EVs within the near future.
Sand batteries provide a very nice scalable solution IMO. https://polarnightenergy.com/sand-battery/
Sand batteries aren't batteries - they output heat instead of electricity. You could use them to feed a steam turbine, but then you're paying for the steam turbine.
That said, sand batteries are amazing for the heat users who can use them - just plug em into some off-grid solar/wind (and/or on-grid, and make money by buying electricity when the prices go negative) and you get 24/7 heat for the price of intermittent renewables.