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Comment by ceejayoz

14 days ago

> The equivalent analogy is the dog is actually passing math tests and doing math AND THEN someone says it's awakened.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clever_Hans

I know about this horse.

But in the end we proved the horse was just going off of human reaction.

Have we proved anything definitively for the LLM? Have we proved it just looks like it understands something but doesn't actually understand anything?

With AI, we are at the point where we see the horse. We see it tapping out the numbers. We haven't seen ANY proof behind why or how it taps out the numbers but it looks like it's doing math. So from this the conclusion is that it's POSSIBLe that it's doing math.

That is the rational conclusion right? Or are you unable to comprehend?

  • It is possible. It is deeply unlikely. As it was with Clever Hans.

    Statistically, it is possible for all my atoms to quantum teleport a foot to the left at the same time. It will take mind-bogglingly huge multiples of the length of the universe for it to become even the slightest bit likely.

    • So the horse reading peoples minds by observing human body language is a high probability outcome?

      When you see a fucking horse doing mathematics, it's not unreasonable to think maybe it was doing mathematics.

      Like where is your quantitative data and evidence? What are you using to say it's "low probability"? You have no idea how consciousness in humans work. You have no idea how LLMs work. Yet you can just declare a low probability fact out of thin air?

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