There is a developer who is working on a multiplatform app to report ICE as well and they made a response too. ICEBlocks dev just immediately blocked them. So clearly they don't take criticism well and would rather believe Apple marketing. Or maybe want to hide a lack of knowledge about Android development.
It's not a problem if they just want to make an iOS only app. Your skillset is your skillset. But to push misinformation to justify it is just arrogant.
> To send push notifications on Android, it is necessary to use a mechanism that requires storing device IDs. [..]
> [..] Apple’s ecosystem allows for push notifications to be sent without requiring us to store any user-identifiable information. This ensures that ICEBlock remains completely anonymous and secure.
So in one case the developer stores the mapping, and in the other case Apple stores the mapping. And that's a good thing?
It takes 1 subpoena to get access to that data from a large company.
Yeah, I never understood the argument. You're just trusting Apple vs. trusting the dev, either way you are trusting an entity that may or may not act in your best interest, and both entities are subject to subpoena. They could also just use firebase cloud messaging and treat it just like APNS.
There's nothing magical about Apple's services that makes them immune to government requests for data, despite Apple's privacy marketing.
I’m not disagreeing, but the magical difference to me seems that Apple _users themselves_ decided ahead of time to trust Apple, whereas _the developer_ would make the decision to trust a third party?
(My more jaded view is that such arguments are merely rationalizations, and that in 90% of these cases it’s mostly about which stack the people building an app have previous experience with… even though they explicitly claim the decision was made on technical grounds. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯)
GrapheneOS's response to ICEBlock's claims about Android security: https://grapheneos.social/@GrapheneOS/114789276549546469
There is a developer who is working on a multiplatform app to report ICE as well and they made a response too. ICEBlocks dev just immediately blocked them. So clearly they don't take criticism well and would rather believe Apple marketing. Or maybe want to hide a lack of knowledge about Android development.
It's not a problem if they just want to make an iOS only app. Your skillset is your skillset. But to push misinformation to justify it is just arrogant.
> But to push misinformation to justify it is just arrogant.
It seems like the developer is relying on incorrect Apple vs Android stereotypes to market their app, when the truth might be less charitable.
> To send push notifications on Android, it is necessary to use a mechanism that requires storing device IDs. [..]
> [..] Apple’s ecosystem allows for push notifications to be sent without requiring us to store any user-identifiable information. This ensures that ICEBlock remains completely anonymous and secure.
So in one case the developer stores the mapping, and in the other case Apple stores the mapping. And that's a good thing?
It takes 1 subpoena to get access to that data from a large company.
Yeah, I never understood the argument. You're just trusting Apple vs. trusting the dev, either way you are trusting an entity that may or may not act in your best interest, and both entities are subject to subpoena. They could also just use firebase cloud messaging and treat it just like APNS.
There's nothing magical about Apple's services that makes them immune to government requests for data, despite Apple's privacy marketing.
I’m not disagreeing, but the magical difference to me seems that Apple _users themselves_ decided ahead of time to trust Apple, whereas _the developer_ would make the decision to trust a third party? (My more jaded view is that such arguments are merely rationalizations, and that in 90% of these cases it’s mostly about which stack the people building an app have previous experience with… even though they explicitly claim the decision was made on technical grounds. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯)
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the whataboutism is strong in this one
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