Comment by pjc50
9 days ago
Immigrants can't claim welfare, beyond the tiny asylum seeker payment, and the healthcare system is dependent on immigration for staff.
9 days ago
Immigrants can't claim welfare, beyond the tiny asylum seeker payment, and the healthcare system is dependent on immigration for staff.
States such as California were allowing them access to Medi-cal, their version of medicaid. Many get free housing- NYC entered into a $980 million dollar contract to house people in hotels.
Federally, no, they aren't getting assistance, but it's all a slush fund as money flows back and forth between local and the federal governments anyway.
California also has, like, the 4th highest GDP in the world. Take complaints about their money mis-management with a grain of salt - of course people from economically failed states like Louisiana and Tennessee are going to tell you California has all these problems. PS - I live in the South.
The US guarantees ER health services regardless of citizenship or ability to pay. They also get free public education (with all the burdens of being non-english speaking).
They pay taxes (in Texas) through gas, property and sales taxes which fund much of the state.
Yes, immigrants are a critical component of several industries like healthcare.
Legal permanent residency/work visas should be easier for skilled workers who want to work in high demand jobs. And all wealthy nations should be more wary of unlimited, unchecked economic migration by poorer populations.
(IOW it's complicated)
I think social media is at least as big a cultural weapon against us, and if I had to choose between deport/imprison a small number of business and political leaders who abuse that weapon or four million undocumented US residents, I would choose the former.
I'm confused, I thought this was about the UK, and the US only got brought up in the sense of people wanting to copy them?
If going on tangents is a problem, start with the person I was responding to.
My comment on social media as the #1 catalyst of societal disassembly applies to the UK as well as the US.
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Total benefit in dollar value for a typical illegal immigrant in Los Angeles with a wife and three children
-------- Cash-like income
• CA Earned Income Tax Credit (CalEITC) 2,400 ‑ 3 qualifying kids and earned income around $20 k → ~$2 000 CA + $400 YCTC add-on.
• Young Child Tax Credit (YCTC) under age 6 $1,080
• County “Breathe” Guaranteed Income Pilot $1,000
• Child Tax Credit (federal, kids=U.S. citizens) $6,000
• CalWORKs Stage 1 child-care voucher (parent copay $0) $8,500
• Los Angeles County General Relief (“GR”, undocumented adult) $2,348/yr 221 × 12 ≈ $2 650; actual monthly household max 2 adults = $442 (LAC DPSS 2023 schedule). Family with kids rarely gets full GR cash, so book 50 % = $2 348.
-------- Food
• CalFresh for 3 citizen kids $8,940
Max allotment for 3 children household = $780 / mo × 12.
Housing-subsidy value (Section 8 Housing Choice Voucher)
• Local Payment Standard (3-br in Central LA, 2024) 28,640 FMR $2 655 / mo × 12. Actual voucher covers 26 600 after utility allowance; market-value differential is tax-free.
-------- Medical care (only the kids qualify under “Restricted Medi-Cal”):
• Children’s Medi-Cal (MC+) HMO PMPM $3,600 ~ $3 000 capitation + dental + mental health wrapped.
-------- Education / daycare substitutes
• State Preschool slots, 3-4-year-olds (county rate) $8,520 6.5 hrs/day × 180 days × $14.50/hr teacher-cost ≈ $8 520 “value”.
• Title-I supplemental services at public school $1,500
-------- Energy / utility
• LADWP low-income discount (ELECTRIC, $0.11/kWh credit) $720
• SoCalGas CARE discount (≈20 %) $240
-------- Transportation
• LADOT universal student pass (DASH), 3 riders $360
TOTAL ANNUAL BENEFIT VALUE
Cash/benefits truly delivered: $2 400 + 1 080 + 1 000 + 6 000 + 8 500 + 2 348 + 8 940 + 28 640 + 3 600 + 8 520 + 1 500 + 720 + 240 + 360 = $73 848 / year
Market-value package ≈ $74 k rounded.
Immigrants can't claim welfare in the UK. Visas are all "no recourse to public funds".
How does identity verification work for those if you can claim while being undocumented? How do you know the claimants are real at all?
You are 100% correct.
NGOs engage in money laundering ops in the UK to give illegals handouts using a multi-step process to steal taxpayer wealth from Britons.
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Primary Grantors:
UK government departments (DWP, Home Office, DLUHC)
EU Legacy Funds (2020-2023) via Shared Prosperity Fund
Lottery-funded charities (e.g., National Lottery Community Fund)
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Key Recipient NGOs: Organizations registered with the Charity Commission targeting "migrant integration," "asylum support," or "poverty alleviation."
NGOs apply for high-value grants (e.g., £500k-£2M). Examples:
"Holistic Integration Project" (Home Office Fund)
"Urban Inclusion Programme" (DWP Social Mobility Grant) Documentation often includes inflated beneficiary counts and ghost project proposals.
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Fictitious Expenditure Fabrication
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Shell Vendor Creation:
NGO leadership registers dormant companies (e.g., "Community Outreach Solutions Ltd") as "service providers."
Invoices issued for fake deliverables:
"Cultural Sensitivity Training" (£120/hour)
"Temporary Shelter Management" (£2,500/week)
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Fund Diversion:
Grants disbursed to shell vendors’ accounts → funds withdrawn as cash via "business expenses" loopholes.
Apparent spending: ~70% declared for "operational costs" despite <15% actual delivery.
Street-Level Handlers: Charitable workers / NGO affiliates directly distribute cash bundles (£50-£200/person).
Cover Mechanisms: Officially declared as "emergency subsistence stipends" (exploiting reporting gaps in small-sum transfers). Physical cash avoids AML scrutiny (<£10,000/transaction).
HMRC estimates £1.2 billion in fraudulent charity fraud annually (2023), with ~25% linked to migration sector schemes.
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Confirmed Cases:
Refugee Action Leeds (2021): £370k diverted via shell company "Unity Lifeline."
London Sanctuary Network (2022): £890k laundered for cash-in-hand construction workers.
Charity Commission ex post audits detect fraud only after fund exhaustion (~18-month lag).
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Trusteeship overlaps allow corrupt board members to approve fictitious vendor payments.
Underground Hawala Couriers: Shell vendors remit cash to illicit hawala brokers, who distribute to:
Landlords: Covering rent for illegals in overcrowded slums (£400/month cash).
Employment Fixers: Kickbacks to gangmasters employing illegals.
Direct Cash Distribution Points: Mosques/churches in African neighborhoods (e.g., Peckham, Birmingham) via coded vouchers.
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AML Evasion:
Cash withdrawals <£10,000/month avoid automated reporting under Proceeds of Crime Act 2002.
Tax gaps: £500 "<essential expense>" cash allowances weekly to illegals bypasses PAYE.
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Non-existent grant audits through:
Front projects like "Go Green!" and "Ukraine Crisis Aid" masking London-Nigeria hawala flows.
Donation recycling: Public crowdsourced funds diverted into laundering flows.
Is this actually what a typical immigrant is getting, or did you just pull this straight out of your ass? Who is actually getting these benefits to this degree? Do we not understand that it's very difficult to apply for a lot of these and most people don't know how to do it?
Also, elephant in the room: California has the 4th highest GDP in the world. Clearly, what they're doing is working. So well that they provide what, 1.5x more federal dollars than they take?
I mean, Louisiana doesn't provide jack shit to nobody. And how's their economy holding up? Anybody check on them recently? Last I checked, despite providing fuck-all, Louisiana isn't even breaking even with federal dollars, let alone touching California's 1.5x ratio.