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Comment by kelnos

5 days ago

I agree in principle that we shouldn't be bailing people out for the consequences of making purchases with their eyes open, but if something like this happened, a lot of people would be mad. And I get it.

The problem in this eventuality is mobility: if you buy a house for $400k, live there for, say, 5 years and the resale value of your house is at $300k, that's going to be a big problem if you have (or just want) to move. If you sell at $300k, you'll have about $50k left over (after repaying the bank) for a down payment on your new house, which means you can only afford a $250k house, which may well not meet your needs.

If someone is planning to live in that house long enough such that when they do want to sell it, they can move to a new place that meets their needs, at a price they can still afford, sure, great. We shouldn't be bailing those people out.

> You should have been certain that the house was worth $400k to you at the time of purchase. Otherwise you're a speculator, and we shouldn't be bailing out speculators.

That's absurd. Aside from people who buy too much house ('00s, anyone?) and regret it later, people pay the price they have to pay for the amount of space and location they believe they need. Most people -- very understandably -- don't know the dynamics of the housing market to the point that they'd be able to predict that their resale value might go down by 25% at some point in the future, because, historically, that's just not what home prices do. (And don't parrot the "past performance is no guarantee of the future" crap... yes, true, so what. Most people unfortunately can't plan their lives around that.)

These people aren't speculators... speculators are buying to flip, or to hold and resell, as investment properties. These are just regular folks who need a place to live and have -- regardless of prudence or correctness -- bought into the idea that owning their home is the next life stage, a proof of success and well-being. Calling people like that speculators shows a severe lack of understanding and empathy.

> It's called buyer's remorse. We accept it when it's a car or a TV, but suddenly when it's a house...

A car or a TV costs nowhere near as much as a house. Losing a car or a TV is not going to make someone homeless. Housing is a basic need, and housing security is essential in a healthy society. (Granted, in many places in the US, losing your car can lead to financial ruin as well, sadly, considering how crucial a car can be to many people for basic things like getting to work.)

> Losing a car or a TV is not going to make someone homeless.

Your house losing 100k$ in value isn't going to make you homeless either (quite the opposite actually). If you buy a house and it depreciates, so what?

Not to mention if everyone's house depreciates, your new house is cheaper to buy. You lose _nothing_, except imaginary dollar values.

> Calling people like that speculators shows a severe lack of understanding and empathy.

I don't know what you call preventing young people from buying, or even renting, at affordable prices so 'people like that' don't have a possibility of losing some money, but you sure as fuck don't call it empathy either.

  • You lost the ability to even sell your house at all until you've paid at least $100k+interest on the mortgage. You are stuck in that house for good.