Great news, good on them. Not only does this make their lives better and safer, but it can help many other cities. Sometimes just knowing that something is possible is enough for people to achieve it.
So Helsinki city center is at 21km/h travel speeds, metro area at 31km/h. A speed limit of 30 km/h doesn't really affect these travel times much.
I can't find 2023 data to compare, however by other data on the net these are very common average speeds for any city in Europe even those with plenty of 50 km/h speed limits.
If more people take up public transport, bikes or scooters in fear of an average travel speed reduction of 1-2 km/h - that is a total win for everyone involved including drivers.
A 30 km/h limit and decline in driving means zero people have to die. If enforcing scooters meant zero people have to die, I'm not sure what the objection is, truly.
Correct. But if we are at comparing Finland and Sweden already: Finland has had one of the highest capital crime rates in Europe for ages. With Swedens increase in bombing and shootings in recent years they might have come close.
Finland has about twice the road accident rate per driven km as Sweden. Don't remember whether that was deadly accidents or any kind of accidents.
Deadly accidents in Helsinki are not that common. Remember it's only 600000 inhabitants and several tragic accidents happened in close cities this year. Zero for 12 months in certain part of the metropolitan area fits into statistical variation. Far too early to speak of a lasting development.
Don't let anyone tell you that better things aren't possible
Great news, good on them. Not only does this make their lives better and safer, but it can help many other cities. Sometimes just knowing that something is possible is enough for people to achieve it.
2 days ago (46 points, 16 comments): https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44736025
I'd argue that's below limits of significant discussion, particularly given the single top comment's derailment.
Someone has to put a chart near it, describing the decline in driving in the city. When you're limited to 30kmh, you might as well get a scooter...
https://www.tomtom.com/traffic-index/ranking/ 30 km/h is equal to 20 min/10km, 50 km/h is 12 min/10km.
So Helsinki city center is at 21km/h travel speeds, metro area at 31km/h. A speed limit of 30 km/h doesn't really affect these travel times much.
I can't find 2023 data to compare, however by other data on the net these are very common average speeds for any city in Europe even those with plenty of 50 km/h speed limits.
If more people take up public transport, bikes or scooters in fear of an average travel speed reduction of 1-2 km/h - that is a total win for everyone involved including drivers.
A 30 km/h limit and decline in driving means zero people have to die. If enforcing scooters meant zero people have to die, I'm not sure what the objection is, truly.
Yes that's probably the point. Cars kill many more people than scooters.
Kind of a moot thing to flex when they have a huge problem with "organized crime" and other issues.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombings_in_Sweden
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vulnerable_area_(Sweden)
Helsinki is capital of Finland and you posted links about Sweden. Am I missing anything?
Correct. But if we are at comparing Finland and Sweden already: Finland has had one of the highest capital crime rates in Europe for ages. With Swedens increase in bombing and shootings in recent years they might have come close.
Finland has about twice the road accident rate per driven km as Sweden. Don't remember whether that was deadly accidents or any kind of accidents.
Deadly accidents in Helsinki are not that common. Remember it's only 600000 inhabitants and several tragic accidents happened in close cities this year. Zero for 12 months in certain part of the metropolitan area fits into statistical variation. Far too early to speak of a lasting development.
100% my mistake. Guess my European geographic knowledge is lacking there, oops.
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It's been quite a while since Finnish independence
> Why are you proud for that A in your test, when your handwriting is still so ugly.
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