Comment by righthand
6 months ago
“This has gone too far” is the war cry of people enforcing that they refuse to educate themselves on the real meaning of the phrases and come to the table for discussion. It is a cop out and you will look back and think “why was I so unreasonable they weren’t asking for much”.
It is a sign that you aren’t really resistant to the ideas but looking for a way to resist because it’s change.
> if they had a committee focused on women’s health issues surrounding pregnancy and childbirth, should they include transgender women?
This is the entire problem with the “this has gone too far” crowd. You’re making up hypotheticals and claiming them as active truths. In your situation it’s pretty clear humans are capable of forming committee's relevant to the topic. You don’t have to over apply policy to make it fair. Furthermore, most of these types of committees are probably and have been historically staffed by white men. Why do they get a double standard?
Was anyone actually negatively affected by DEI policies? No. You just had a bunch of handwringing from “this is too far people” and executive leadership teams. No one has actually any proof of these so called negatives though. So much so they have black people saying “let the white man handle it again”.
The primary job of a politician and political committee is to win elections and accept facts on the ground. Yes the indoctrination went too far that I found at BigTech when they had “allies” and making sure that I wouldn’t be offended by “micro aggressions”.
> In your situation it’s pretty clear humans are capable of forming committee's relevant to the topic
You mean the same humans who are fighting to allow biological men in women’s sports?
The midsize company in the same vertical I work for now (cloud consulting) focuses almost purely on how much money we made, this is how it affects your bonus and this is what you can do to increase our profits - no ally ship, no “celebrating diversity” (for people who haven’t been keeping up, I’m black), no “you must label your profile with your preferred pronouns” nonsense. I go to work to collect a check. It’s not a social mission. I don’t go to talk about systemic racism, police brutality, etc.
But they do have Juneteenth as a company holiday, offer classes and reimbursements for our LatAm employees to become better English speakers because it’s a requirement to be promoted to the higher level positions that are customer facing and offer English speakers the chance to take Spanish classes (I’m currently around an A2 proficiency).
DEI is harming people because of the silly “right speech” like not saying “pow wow” or “war room” turns people off and has them voting for politicians that don’t serve your interest and actively harm you.
How the heck did Democrats go so far that even Hispanics Americans are increasingly voting Republican?
I really don’t give a shit if women are in mens sports or if men are in women sports.
That issue affects less than 1% of people. And was used by to rile you up to make you think an entire nation cared about very few incidents across the Us. Can you name one trans-athlete case that affected your athletic ability and career?
DEI didn’t negatively affect you. You just wanted to jump on the anti-woke train. How about you have life so good that you have nothing better to do than get angry at passive policies that were barely enforced and didn’t even affect you.
I am still waiting for the evidence of the crimes committed against people through DEI policies. Where are the victims? There are none because you drink the kool-aid rather than getting informed.
People are going to still correct your speech. That was happening before DEI policies. In fact I think you’re conflating DEI with political correctness.
Again DEI policies weren’t implemented to the extreme you are claiming to have experienced. They were barely implemented before being rolled back.
> no ally ship, no “celebrating diversity” (for people who haven’t been keeping up, I’m black), no “you must label your profile with your preferred pronouns” nonsense.
None of those things you listed are either DEI policies or negatives either. They are corporate programs, none specified in the frameworks of DEI. At worst they are perhaps a little annoying.
It wasn’t just hispanics that threw the election it was hispanics and blacks. Again you’re uninformed and looking to blame some other group of people. Classic American.
> That issue affects less than 1% of people. And was used by to rile you up to make you think an entire nation cared about very few incidents across the Us.
Well, if you really want to go down the road of not caring about issues that only affect 1% of the people in the US, the percentage of people who identify as trans or non binary is around 2%. That’s not a road I’m willing to go down.
> Can you name one trans-athlete case that affected your athletic ability and career?
On the same note, if I should only care about issues that affect me as a decently high earning individual, who is 50 and whose wife is also 50 with grown kids, that means I shouldn’t care about reproductive rights, universal healthcare, a social safety net, affordable higher education…
As much as people threaten to leave the US if things go south, I actually have an exit plan. We are going to start spending a few months in Costa Rica every year starting next year and have looked at becoming permanent residence. My Spanish is around A2 proficiency now.
We’ve done the digital nomad thing domestically for a year before. We aren’t new to it. It’s kid about me.
> DEI didn’t negatively affect you. You just wanted to jump on the anti-woke train. How about you have life so good that you have nothing better to do than get angry at passive policies that were barely enforced and didn’t even affect you.
No matter how good my life is (and it is very good), I worried all of the time about my 6 foot 2 step son getting harassed by the police because he didn’t look like he belong in the suburbs we lived in (where I by myself made over twice the median household because I was working remotely for BigTech) that was a famous sun down town as recently as the mid 80s.
Yeah I lived here until 2 years ago (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WErjPmFulQ0). We never had an issue. But let’s just say when I walked into the high school to pick my son up, they knew exactly who he was because he was only one of three black guys in the entire school.
> I am still waiting for the evidence of the crimes committed against people through DEI policies. Where are the victims? There are none because you drink the kool-aid rather than getting informed.
The victims right now are the entire country because moderate Americans were so turned off they voted before Trump.
> People are going to still correct your speech. That was happening before DEI policies. In fact I think you’re conflating DEI with political correctness.
It was the corporate enforced DEI mandates that got you chastised if you said “you guys” to a mixed group of people (even though women used the term too) and said that you had to put your preferred pronouns on your profile.
Like I said, at my current company the entire focus of the quarterly all hands is the business and how they make money and how it affects my money. That’s all I have ever cared about when I have gone to work for 10 jobs over 30 years.
> It wasn’t just hispanics that threw the election it was hispanics and blacks. Again you’re uninformed and looking to blame some other group of people. Classic American.
I’m not blaming Hispanics, I’m blaming policies and speech by Democrats who have made the democratic brand toxic.
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