Comment by trod1234

You are the one that is ignorant of the reality.

> As a thought experiment, insert "type 1 diabetes"

This is an apples to oranges fallacy flawed example, how about we do something that isn't apples to oranges, like heavy metal poisoning. How about we insert chronic low-level mercury poisoning in place of ADHD.

Here is a shocker, the symptoms are the same, and there are many other such environmental based issues that lead to these symptoms. The diagnosis is still ADHD/ADD which is made regularly because its a catchall, and so its the same label but its not the same thing.

So that ADHD diagnosis is ADHD, and its automatically neurological changes, or is it really Heavy Metal Poisoning, which then isn't being treated?

Are my sentiments causing real world harm to people when that diagnosis has been misdiagnosed? Really? This happens on the regular because of exposures that occur but aren't recognized or achieve testing thresholds.

The diagnostic label for spectrum disorders has been for decades incorrectly applied to people, in effect treating symptoms as a catchall.

How ridiculous do you sound in my particular example? Your causing harm to people because they thought they had ADHD because of the symptoms but actually were being poisoned because of a misdiagnosis that isn't questioned (which happens in centralized systems). Who is actually the one causing harm here. The one supporting that system and its consequences, or the one questioning the underlying truth of the matter (which has real anecdotal experiences backing this across a group of afflicted people).

Blood testing doesn't work well at detection of chronic low exposure without causing acute poisoning through a chelator, something that isn't done that regularly. Most doctors won't even order the test even after requests to do so.

Seriously, this kind of armchair theatrics and polemic is why the world is in such a horrible state today, but by all means continue shouting down people that actually know a thing about what they are talking about.

> ADHD isn't something that people can just willpower their way out of.

I think conflating structured meditation practice with "just willpower your way out of it" is a pretty severe misconception of its own. That's not at all how it's supposed to work. (In fact, if you struggle with focusing your attention in a meditation setting, you're taught not to apply willpower at all; just "notice" that your thoughts have drifted away and comfortably bring them back without judgment. You wouldn't expect this to help, but apparently it does.)

I'd say they weren't addressing the core issues, or they think discipline is something that it isn't, and then kept trying ineffectively.

Here's what discipline is and isn't.

Discipline is an extremely simple concept to develop but few actually know how to do it in any reasonable way because of so much misinformation out there, and malign influence seeking to take advantage and increase suggestability, and by extension addiction.

Discipline just like meditation is really a fundamentally simple practice.

Just like with meditation, where you don't use willpower, but instead simply focus your thoughts back towards a single point, and then relax that focus slowly, which stills your thoughts.

Discipline is simply the repeated practice of limiting when and where you choose to change your initial decision or choice, for all of the choices you make.

You take your time considering before making a choice, and once made you only change it when there is some new information that becomes available after the fact, whether that is a new consequence you didn't consider, or completely new information you received later.

Its a simple rule. You don't give yourself the choice except under those circumstances. When you are tempted, you remind yourself you don't have the choice. When you cave and fail, you don't beat yourself up because that destructively interferes with your psychology which only works towards outcomes framed in the positive. If you make a mistake you examine what led to it right away, and mitigate those circumstances moving forward. You imagine what you will do next time, with a successful outcome a few times that day.

With this repeated ritual comes an understand that willpower is always finite, and you pick and choose what you will spend that on each day. You recognize when its running low, and defer important decisions pigeonholing them for a later time. With repeated practice in everything this become a unconscious ritual with good outcomes.

You do what you say you will do, and you don't compromise yourself, and people recognize that level of discipline. It becomes easier with each successful choice, and its so damn simple.

These two things together make a world of difference in coping with everything. It places the locus of control for your life within your grasp.

> only to discover medication later and find it instantly turned around everything.

First, medication in most cases in psychology doesn't instantly ever turn around everything. You still have the problems that led to your mental state, they are often subtle which have built up over time. You are just better able to cope with them where you weren't coping before, and following the initial euphoria of relief you still have those problems.

I know quite a number of people that have been diagnosed and use medication to cope with professional burnout. Eventually you pay the piper.

Sure you can take a drug, and maybe you feel better, but also maybe you feel like everything is 100x worse and to relieve the pain and suffering you end yourself; (a known sideeffect) or you have a chemical reaction that ends up in sudden death (a known sideeffect). Few actually consider this, minimizing it.

There is no panacea. Soma is just treating the symptoms. What you do, and things you choose to live by are far more important, especially in contrast to the fact that many medications make one more suggestible. For good or ill.

Your view is quite distorted, biased, and blind.

> Good. This is a good thing. Treating symptoms is a good thing and we like good things.

You frame this in fallacy, false dichotomy circularly. For a refutation, is treating poisoning with something that masks the symptoms of poisoning without resolving the cause a good thing?

The poisoning is still there its having a detrimental effect leading to harmful outcomes, and you don't know its happening because you masked the symptoms thinking its something else.

A concrete example? Chronic low-level exposure to heavy metal poisoning was quite common 20 years ago. It came largely from silver fillings which were in-fact 50% b/w, mercury amalagam. It was claimed stable and thus fit for us in dental fillings, but later found in the presence of acidic beverages to leach into your systems, and this is not the only exposure. Mercury has also been used in the efficient production and manufacture of Soda beverages, you have to dive quite deep in industry literature to find these facts such as they remove those chemicals after production, and label them as contaminants. No chemistry is ever perfect at removing things. They have been found present in many cases, and not all processes use this but the cost effective ones do. Similar environmental issues are neglected, such as lead paint and other products, arsenic from the water; you get the drift.

Ironically, these can easily fall into the same diagnostic criteria as ADHD/ADD and blood tests aren't sensitive enough because those substances binds so easily to remove it from the bloodstream rapidly (into tissue) to protect you. It bio-accumulates. You literally have to cause induced acute poisoning through medication (chelator) before taking the blood to get an appropriate test result.

> The gaslighting is pushing shitty wellness cures.

Ad Hominem, and lacking in facts.

> I literally had to fight to get access to my ADHD meds...

Ancedotal.

I've met quite a lot of people who initially thought they had ADD/ADHD because that is what the doctors decided. Once you have a label, there is no need to look at anything else that suggests otherwise, a common bias of your average doctor.

These people found that they actually had low-level poisoning, and half the battle was finding a doctor willing to order the chelation tests to prove it. Upon completion of rigorous chelation therapy and removal of exposure sources, and related lifestyle changes they were medication free without the symptoms. They, in effect, cured their ADHD/ADD, and some of them had been to hundreds of psychologists/psychiatrists, all being told they had ADD/ADHD.

Blind trust in centralized systems has an indoctrinated bias that some aren't able to overcome. Nothing is perfect, and some things are the worst possible solution of any solution.

The label in these cases was a classic authority based fallacy. The patients eventually did figure it taking their health into their own hands because the system had failed them, basically saying its all in their head. (Gaslighting).

It was a journey for many of them because they were repeatedly given false or misleading information from the vast majority of so-called experts. Desperation doesn't make things true.

Mind you not all experts are like this, there are some very decent and intelligent experts out there that know exactly what they should and act accordingly; but in the grand scheme they are almost impossible to find or differentiate.

What makes you blind is you assume the diagnostic label is automatically the disease, and that simply is not true in aggregate, or the correct way to approach these things.

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