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Comment by trod1234

4 months ago

Your view is quite distorted, biased, and blind.

> Good. This is a good thing. Treating symptoms is a good thing and we like good things.

You frame this in fallacy, false dichotomy circularly. For a refutation, is treating poisoning with something that masks the symptoms of poisoning without resolving the cause a good thing?

The poisoning is still there its having a detrimental effect leading to harmful outcomes, and you don't know its happening because you masked the symptoms thinking its something else.

A concrete example? Chronic low-level exposure to heavy metal poisoning was quite common 20 years ago. It came largely from silver fillings which were in-fact 50% b/w, mercury amalagam. It was claimed stable and thus fit for us in dental fillings, but later found in the presence of acidic beverages to leach into your systems, and this is not the only exposure. Mercury has also been used in the efficient production and manufacture of Soda beverages, you have to dive quite deep in industry literature to find these facts such as they remove those chemicals after production, and label them as contaminants. No chemistry is ever perfect at removing things. They have been found present in many cases, and not all processes use this but the cost effective ones do. Similar environmental issues are neglected, such as lead paint and other products, arsenic from the water; you get the drift.

Ironically, these can easily fall into the same diagnostic criteria as ADHD/ADD and blood tests aren't sensitive enough because those substances binds so easily to remove it from the bloodstream rapidly (into tissue) to protect you. It bio-accumulates. You literally have to cause induced acute poisoning through medication (chelator) before taking the blood to get an appropriate test result.

> The gaslighting is pushing shitty wellness cures.

Ad Hominem, and lacking in facts.

> I literally had to fight to get access to my ADHD meds...

Ancedotal.

I've met quite a lot of people who initially thought they had ADD/ADHD because that is what the doctors decided. Once you have a label, there is no need to look at anything else that suggests otherwise, a common bias of your average doctor.

These people found that they actually had low-level poisoning, and half the battle was finding a doctor willing to order the chelation tests to prove it. Upon completion of rigorous chelation therapy and removal of exposure sources, and related lifestyle changes they were medication free without the symptoms. They, in effect, cured their ADHD/ADD, and some of them had been to hundreds of psychologists/psychiatrists, all being told they had ADD/ADHD.

Blind trust in centralized systems has an indoctrinated bias that some aren't able to overcome. Nothing is perfect, and some things are the worst possible solution of any solution.

The label in these cases was a classic authority based fallacy. The patients eventually did figure it taking their health into their own hands because the system had failed them, basically saying its all in their head. (Gaslighting).

It was a journey for many of them because they were repeatedly given false or misleading information from the vast majority of so-called experts. Desperation doesn't make things true.

Mind you not all experts are like this, there are some very decent and intelligent experts out there that know exactly what they should and act accordingly; but in the grand scheme they are almost impossible to find or differentiate.

What makes you blind is you assume the diagnostic label is automatically the disease, and that simply is not true in aggregate, or the correct way to approach these things.

>You frame this in fallacy, false dichotomy circularly. For a refutation, is treating poisoning with something that masks the symptoms of poisoning without resolving the cause a good thing?

"Masks" is the problem here. If poisoning causes symptoms, like vomiting, you want to treat the symptom. Depends on various factors. Just like every woo purveyor you have a simple black/white mindset.

>Ad Hominem, and lacking in facts.

You didnt make arguments, you just spouted a toxic opinion. You dont get shielded behind proper argumentation. The issue is you as a human are toxic. You specifically.

>Ancedotal.

Not really, not for Adult sufferers. Its a very common story.

>these people found that they actually had low-level poisoning

Lmao. "Low level Poisoning" you are cooked. Also right after complaining about anecdotal evidence. You literally stand for nothing.

>Blind trust in centralized systems

No ones advocating for blind trust. Just informed trust. Instead of the blind trust in kooks you are peddling.

>What makes you blind is you assume the diagnostic label is automatically the disease

What makes you blind is that you assume that anything anti authority is automatically true.

  • > You didn't make arguments.

    There was nothing to argue, your statement was unsupported, and the only thing you included was caustic criticism and broad over-generalization both fallacy implying what I was saying was shitty wellness cures and that has no basis and your post was designed to impose personal cost.

    Why would I respond to that beyond my given response, when anything more is just giving psychopaths, narcissists, and other like-minded and rightfully ill people just what they seek?

    I give very minimal effort to mindless bots; and that includes whether they are of the mechanical or base human variety level 0s incapable of introspection/objective reasoning, always trying to bring everyone else down to their crude and base level.

    If you can't understand what you did and how it relates to fallacy, its not my job to educate you.

    You clearly don't understand basic critical thinking skills, and are quite toxic for no good reason saying much more about yourself than anything you have to say about others. Arguably, no different than any other conditioned animal, and I don't take any pleasure in saying that.

    You are mistaken, I'm not blind, I have a deeper understanding than you, quite apparently. I am also not easily manipulated and quite discerning.

    I understand how things fail in detail, and I don't assume that contention you make about authority.

    Those are your words, and false words at that.

    Everyone has the potential to be better, few among the many actually choose to act on the potential and do so.

    This is recognized earliest in Matthew 7:6, and in the behavior you exhibited. Compare and contrast.