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Comment by teekert

2 days ago

We did not elect EU leaders. They keep secrets (COVID vaccin deals), they exempt themselves from ChatControl, they are obliged to store their communications yet internally recommend Signal with disappearing messages. Whats democratic about it?

> We did not elect EU leaders

Did we not?

I voted for the EU parliament. I voted for my government, which forms the council and appoints the commission.

  • The council is composed of representatives of each state. That means you did not vote for 26 out of the 27 members, and most states don't have special elections for European Council members* -- which means that most of them have not been elected into their Council position.

    * the Council of composed of ministers and heads of government. Ministerial posts are distributed among the winning party members in pretty much every country, and only presidential systems have a direct election for their head of government. In constitutional monarchies, the head of government is commonly assigned to the largest party leader, but it's not a directly electable position.

    • The parliament seats are also apportioned by state. I don't find that a bad idea, living in a small country, and I don't see why the council seats being divided by country is a worse idea than the system in the parliament.

    • I didn't vote for 649 of my MPs either. These aren't good arguments.

    • I mean sure. But that's how most democratic systems work?

      A Californian did not vote for the Senator from North Carolina.

      A Londoner did not vote for the MP from Edinburgh.

      A Berliner did not vote for the Bavarian Bundesrat member.

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