Comment by derelicta
1 day ago
I know it's controversial to say here, but Korean people are human too. They are not stupid insects groomed to follow some great leader as if it were the queen of the hive. Most of what you assume to know about Koreans and likely Chinese or Vietnamese people is false. It's pure propaganda.
Also lol for linking the BBC. To me it's like linking Radio Free Asia or the New York Times and pretend those are freedom fighters.
> Also lol for linking the BBC. To me it's like linking Radio Free Asia or the New York Times and pretend those are freedom fighters.
It's not really when the reporting is reporting what was done. But here's some more articles saying the same thing ?
> Most of what you assume to know about Koreans and likely Chinese or Vietnamese people is false.
You are assuming I am making assumptions. But I can see this discussion isn't going anywhere fast.
https://www.reuters.com/article/world/asia-pacific/north-kor...
https://abcnews.go.com/International/north-korea-issues-rare...
https://www.koreatimes.co.kr/foreignaffairs/northkorea/20200...
https://www.npr.org/2020/09/25/916807251/kim-jong-un-apologi...
Oh yes ofc, if all imperial newspapers are saying it has happened, then it must have happened. A bit like when all imperial newspapers said there were WMD in Irak and that's why America had to destroy this country.
I really don't like entertaining discussions that are in bad faith, but the Iraq WMDs comment has bothered me. The UN themselves said it was unlikely Iraq had them. So while you clearly have your biases, at least double check them before trying to make a point. More people might take you seriously and have a meaningful discussion.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2004/sep/16/iraq.iraq
It's funny seeing how the same people who scream and whine about the media being 'biased' whenever they report on some awful shit that Trump did (even when it actually indirectly paints him positively) will unquestionably believe absolutely everything the media reports about North Korea.
Oh, sure, they're not directly state-owned news (except NPR and the BBC etc. etc.).
They're just owned by the owners of the state.
I don't see a controversy on HN where the problem with North Korea is supposed to be the people must not be human. You, me, North Koreans, South Koreans, and anybody else are obviously all people. These are regions of people, not species listings. As such, we obviously all fall for silly beliefs - that's one thing humans do.
Sometimes that bites us in the ass real bad, sometimes it's less severe, but humans aren't defined as being perfect. Believing being human makes you immune to the same kinds of belief problems as other humans have gotten themselves into results in bite-you-in-the-ass results more often, among other problems.
This sounds very soviet, I see them all the time showing some traveling guide to NK and claiming is a paradise like USSR was, but then you ask why do this regimes have walls and kill the people that try to escape the paradise? why do people want to escape the paradise risking their lives ?
And to have the balls to claim you can't trust people that lived in NK and escaped and you should better trust who? those NK propaganda images the soviets are spreading around ?
I call soviets the home sovieticus, the imperialists bastards that excuse that criminal regime and want it back, like the Zeds and their friends.
> but then you ask why do this regimes have walls and kill the people that try to escape the paradise?
Now do the same for the country you are very fond of. It wouldn't be so hard, right?
>Now do the same for the country you are very fond of. It wouldn't be so hard, right?
Super easy, I can exit Romania to EU just with my identity card, I can go to Moldova just as easy , for other countries depends on their rules like I might need to have family there if I am visiting them or to have paid for hotels and have some money to prove I am a tourist. So I can exit Romania unless I am under some investigation by the police and a judge asked me not to run away.
this was not true during communist times, the communist had walls and they killed people attempting to leave the paradise, even if you had a passport because you were some important person your passport was kept by the police not by you.
Hard question for you now, If NK won't let the population go and visit some evil, corrupt, dangerous country why are teh citizens also blocked to freely travel to China or RuZZia ? Also why is that country starving when they are neighboring those big countries that soviets claim they are very kind.
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