Comment by mytailorisrich
14 hours ago
But that's exactly how the EU works. If you give the "wrong" answer they'll keep going until you give the "right" answer.
France and the Netherlands rejected the proposed EU constitution... nevermind, the same was in the later Lisbon treaty.
Ireland rejected the Nice and Lisbon treaties... nevermind they still passed when asked again after cosmetic changes and "information campaigns".
Poland voted for the wrong government... EU suspended funds until they voted for the right government at the next election.
> Poland voted for the wrong government... EU suspended funds until they voted for the right government at the next election.
On the other end there is the "don't interfere with anything" and you get totalitarianism as a side effect, eventually. If a democratically elected government passes a law that makes killing some category of people lawful, should they be allowed to do it?
That escalated quickly from my comment to "but Nazis"...
Because nazis were peak of totalitarianism disguised as democracy and stemmed directly from seemingly (that is while looking at smaller parts of it) democratic process
I don't know if you noticed, but some things awfully similar to Nazism are currently popular again, worldwide. Mostly not popular enough to actually win elections in most cases, but enough that many people are thinking about how to stop almost-Nazis from winning elections, which of course gets the latter group labelled as almost-Nazis for trying to interfere with elections.
There are many groups with agendas to kill or expel gay people, trans people, Muslims, atheists, etc. It's sadly normal for those groups to exist; it's not normal for them to be anywhere close to power and we need to stop them getting power because we already know what happens if they get power. "All it takes for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing" and all that.
> Poland voted for the wrong government... EU suspended funds until they voted for the right government at the next election.
I am polish, please *do not spread falsehood*.
EU funds suspension came because of Polish non-compliance with several EU laws.
Most notably the previous government had created a "new" government-controlled chamber of judgement that gave de facto the executive branch control over the judicial one.
Judges in Poland could be suspended and punished if politicians didn't like their rulings. Not only that, judges could be suspended, fined and even jailed over any public comment.
This created a situation where essentially judges where promoted, punished or cherry picked according to how aligned they were to the ruling party.
This was a blatant violation of Polish constitution as well as the treaties Poland itself signed when joining the EU.
Well an euroskeptic government is out and a new as pro-EU as is possible to be (Donald Tusk was President of the EU Council) is in, so all is well... You may recognise a pattern that is at play in other countries both in the EU and outside.
Whether the government was EU skeptic or not is irrelevant. Plenty of EU countries had similarly EU skeptical governments.
What matters are facts: Poland violated several points of the Treaty of the European Union, the EU Charter and CJEU rulings all stating the same thing: to be part of the European Union rule of law must be respected.
In other words: the judicial branch of power has to be independent. Politicians write laws. Judges and not politicians, rule on whether they are respected or not.
And again, I'm Polish, I know what I'm talking about: the previous government went far in bending the constitution, controlling the press and the judges taking our country step after step towards a dictatorship.
So what you say is that you accept one side of extremum but not other side? Democracy as in having common goal is bad but democracy as in tribalism is good?
How is that related to the comment above?
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