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Comment by n1b0m

1 month ago

They fired staff who protested against the firm’s ties to the IDF.

That's a funny way to say "they fired staff that vandalized company property, broke into the CEO's office, and used an internal company website to publish and promote anti-company propaganda".

That will get you fired from bussing tables or washing dishes, let alone a six-figure job at MS.

Edit: Source on the last one; the first two were widely reported on in media:

https://lunduke.substack.com/p/fired-microsoft-employee-enco...

  • One protestor was fired after interrupting a CEO's speech.

    • I feel like interrupting a CEO's speech at a big conference is pretty well understood to be a social indicator of a high level of insubordination. I suspect the protestor knew that too.

      The consequences were appropriate, even if I might share some of the protestor's concerns.

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    • If I interrupt the CEOs speech at a public conference, yeah, I fully expect to get canned. It’s not like this was an internal all-hands or summat.

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    • Half the jobs I’ve worked, I’d be immediately fired if I interrupted a CEO’s speech. The other half, I’d be in serious trouble and I’d be first on any layoff.

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    • You might have 1A rights as an American but it seems to me the manner in which this person protested would be grounds for termination in many jurisdictions.

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  • Some people seem to think rioting and vandalism are acceptable behaviors.

    It's important that people engaging in such activity are dealt with swiftly and justly. Such behavior further encourages violence and destruction as acceptable behaviors in society, which they are not.

    • Rioting and vandalism are unacceptable...until they aren't and are instead necessary.

      Is everyone so quick to forget that the rights we have today in the US were won through violence after all other methods failed? The 40 hour work week we enjoy today was also won through blood.

      Now, in this case between employees and Microsoft I'd agree, no, vandalism wasn't necessary at all.

      But when it comes to defending our rights and freedoms, there will come a day when its absolutely necessary, and it's just as valid of a tool as peaceful protest is in enforcing the constitution.

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    • The United States has a history of rioting, vandalism, and violence. The Boston Tea Party comes to mind. The more important question is the contexts in which it is unacceptable, and who should be given the authority to swiftly deal with it - an authority that will itself require the ability to commit violence.

    • The employees weren't "rioting."

      Vandalism can be measured in dollars. How much did this vandalism actually cost Microsoft to repair?

      It's important that we don't ignore context.

    • It’s amazing how many discussions I’ve had in the past decade about how people are supposed to “properly” protest (I.e. in a way that commands as little attention as possible) and how few I’ve had discussing the merits of what people are protesting about.

      Except of course Jan 6th, which somehow normalized the belief that the 2020 election was stolen AND gaslit a ton of the country into thinking the violence that occurred did not and therefore doesn’t need to be critiqued.

      This admin is truly adept at labeling all forms of dissent or disagreement as unacceptable actions that make discussing the issues at hand impossible.

    • That would put you in the pro genocide camp and subject you to consequences.

  • Every protest we praise in history broke the law at some point.

    “Promote company-hating propaganda” is an interesting way to describe what happened.

  • Source?

  • They've been raising the alarm for months. If this extreme action is what it took Microsoft to look into genocide and then terminate the contract, it was absolutely the right call

    • Not that you're implying this, but making an "absolutely the right call" does not in any way shield one from consequences.

      Heck, it's usually because one will be punished that doing the right thing is in any manner noble. Otherwise it's just meeting minimum expectations as a human.

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I think how you protest matters.

I can agree with protestors, also think their choices are bad.

I am deeply opposed to the Israeli military, and sympathetic to the cause of the employees, but as the other poster pointed out, they were legitimately fired.

Moreover, their actions didn't improve anything and only serve as further fodder for painting their side here as radical.