Comment by Veserv

> I think you are just agreeing with me?

sure, i mean i have no goal of alignment or misalignment, i'm just trying to provide more insights into what's going on based on my observations of this from having also worked on this udp path.

> Which is my point. They are leaving, by my estimation, 10-20x performance on the floor due to external factors. They might be “fast given that they are bottlenecked by low performance systems”, which is good as their piece is not the bottleneck, but they are not objectively “fast” as the primitives can be configured to solve a substantially similar problem dramatically faster if integrated correctly.

yes, though this basically means we're talking about throwing out chunks of the os, the crypto design, the protocol, and a whole lot of tuning at each layer.

the only vendor in a good position to do this is apple (being the only vendor that owns every involved layer in a single product chain), and they're failing to do so as well.

the alternative is a long old road, where folks make articles like this from time to time, we share our experiences and hope that someone is inspired enough reading it to be sniped into making incremental progress. it'd be truly fantastic if we sniped a group with the vigor and drive that the mptcp folks seem to have, as they've managed to do an unusually broad and deep push across a similar set of layered challenges (though still in progress).