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Comment by baobun

15 days ago

AIUI, the law puts restrictions on "traders", ie businesses, people making a revenue, integrating ads etc.

A free FLOSS app would be exempt from these requirements under the DSA. Apple and Google don't make a difference betwren commercial and non-commercial publishers, so in this sense they both do malicious compliance.

In theory. In practice Germany requires your private non-commercial web page to have Impressum and there is an army of legal trolls who would destroy you for not having one.

I guess the same will happen with signed apps.

  • No, your private non-commercial web page doesn't need an Impressum AFAIK. Once you add ads to generate (small) income, it becomes commercial, though.

    • I think the grey area is a bit bigger than that.

      The Digitale-Dienste-Gesetz (https://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/ddg/__5.html) in § 5 imposes this requirement on "geschäftsmäßige, in der Regel gegen Entgelt angebotene digitale Dienste", i.e. "services operated in a business-like manner, usually against payment". The key word here is "geschäftsmäßig" (literally translated "in the manner of a business", "business-like"), which within German law is held to be a weaker requirement than "gewerbsmäßig", that is "commercial".

      "Geschäftsmäßig" can be anything you keep on doing regularly, independently of any profit motives – you can find a few discussions of that online, and amongst other things, the same term was also used in now-overturned legislation against commercial assisted-suicide, where it caused the same interpretation problems whether doctors or non-profit associations nonetheless might be construed to be acting "geschäftsmäßig" even if they didn't take any payments.

      The "usually against payment" bit means that anything done for money can unambiguously by default be presumed to be business-like (and even worse, one possible additional interpretation is that anything other people usually do for money can be argued to be "geschäftsmäßig", too, even if you yourself offer it for free), but the reverse isn't necessarily true. Keeping with the F-Droid sphere for example, something like https://android.izzysoft.de/ I think could (even if you subtracted the few affiliate ads) very well be argued to be operated in a business-like manner, since it's relatively big and professionally-done enough.

      The other relevant law is the Medienstaatsvertrag (https://www.die-medienanstalten.de/fileadmin/user_upload/Rec...), where an exception from the imprint requirements in § 18 is made only if operated for "persönlichen oder familiären Zwecken", i.e. for "personal or family purposes". (And journalistic offerings, which can potentially cover some blogs or forums for example, are even subject to extended imprint requirements.)

      The "family" bit is relatively clear, but "personal" purposes are once again more interpretable. A wide reading of "personal" would indeed cover all sorts of non-commercial hobby pages, though in that case you could ask yourself the question why a separate exception for family purposes would then still be required, too?

      A narrower reading of "personal" on the other hand would only cover stuff that's literally only intended for you, like login pages to your personal webmail or Nextcloud instances, your private picture or file hosting and similar things. Some lawyers even go as far as including a private diary (that for some reason however you decide to publish online and even without password protection) within the category of "personal" things (though depending how much your diary refers to identifiable outside entities, it could also be construed to be a journalistic offering and therefore definitely subject to imprint requirements), but that's about the limit.

      Hobby pages intended for the non-specific general public (outside of just family and friends) are therefore very much in a grey area as to when exactly the imprint requirements are starting to become applicable even if you don't do any ads at all.