Comment by gjsman-1000
7 days ago
> No one will stop you from doing either of those things.
It's literally illegal in many US states and countries to do so. In my home state, MN, it is tightly regulated what kinds of "cottage food" you are allowed to sell.
You're confusing ability with legality. Try loading up some food you cooked in your kitchen and selling it out of your car, door-to-door, and watch what happens. This is despite, for most people, judging the health risks of food being wildly easier than the security risks of a sideloaded app.
> These phone restrictions, by contrast, would be like if you AC or electrical panel somehow required a licensed professional to activate new parts.
That already exists in car repair; with key reprogrammers and especially anything engine-tuning being restricted to licensed individuals. Also, good luck messing with your catalytic converter, without the ECU by law detecting it and getting very angry. Take my relative's diesel truck from 2015 - a single failed sensor in the exhaust, and it caps itself as low as 30 MPH.
> You're confusing ability with legality
No, you are. Google's restricting the ability, by decree. Laws restrict the legality, in certain places, by democratic consensus.
That's more a reflection of your neighbors not wanting to deal with your door-to-door nuisance of a business. If you have people that want to buy food from you, exactly nothing will happen. Same deal with e.g. babysitting/day care. Exactly no one will care if you do it or if you casually offer it in conversation with a parent. People might get annoyed if you go door-to-door soliciting about it and interrupt their day.
Ability vs. legality is the point; these things in practice aren't that heavily regulated, licensed, and restricted, and in fact no one will check up on you or try to stop you at all unless you piss someone off by somehow turning it into an annoyance. I don't know why you'd even think to check whether most of the stuff you listed is legal.
Using car restrictions (which are obviously mostly anti-consumer, especially for EVs) as some justification for similar actions in phones is interesting, to say the least.
You're saying these laws exist, they actively restrict our devices and our freedoms, but it's okay because they're complaint-driven (aka snitching).
That's worse, not better. Freedom by definition isn't subject to the whims of my neighbors.
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Edit, posting too fast, because I can't reply directly: What you are advocating for is a police state. Think about it:
1. Laws should be intentionally overbroad: Make everything illegal, then only enforce when something goes wrong
2. Competence is determined retroactively: You only find out if you were "allowed" to do something after a disaster
3. Rights depend on outcomes: You had the right to wire that outlet... unless it sparked, then retroactively you didn't
4. Selective enforcement is good, actually: Laws that could be used against anyone but usually aren't are fine
This is nonsense.
I'm not in favor of extreme authoritarian laws being on the books at all for their abuse potential, but dystopian laws that exist but are only ever enforced in practice if you are a nuisance are obviously better than dystopian laws that exist and are regularly enforced. And actually "you're only not allowed to install an electrical outlet if you're too dumb to do it without starting a fire" seems like it's right about what the law should be, so if you only get in trouble if you start a fire... good? Likewise if you only end up in trouble for selling food in practice if you end up poisoning people. Sounds about right.
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Like I said,
> I'm not in favor of extreme authoritarian laws being on the books at all for their abuse potential
I'm not in favor of that. But obviously a police-state-on-the-books is better than a real-actual-police-state. Duh. Laws that are never enforced that say women can't wear pants or gay relationships are illegal are stupid. I like when legislators do "cleanup" bills to delete invalid laws and keep things tidy. The same laws if they are enforced are oppressive.
In practice I'm not sure that "you can do dangerous things as long as you are competent and are not negligent and don't injure others" is a bad guiding principle? Like yeah if it turns out you were not competent or you were negligent, then we (retroactively) say you should have at least known enough to not do that. Sounds reasonable. Especially if the law is effectively "thing is dangerous. Only people who know what they're doing should do it". It's on you then to know enough to know whether you know what you're doing. If you don't know whether you're competent enough, then I suppose you're not.
It would be better to have that explicitly be the law, but having it be the de facto law works well enough. It's sort of the same "if you know you know" kind of thing, but I guess with a different psychological filter where people are more likely to default to "I don't realize I can do this"? Personally I'd prefer we not infantilize people, so it's better to encourage them to better themselves and learn a skill rather than discouraging them and saying they "can't" do it, but maybe the type of people who allow themselves to be infantilized are exactly the ones you don't want to do it anyway.
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note that you're confusing selling with ability. it's one thing for the state to say they can regulate and tax a sale, but to use your dubious analogy, this is more like the state saying I can't have my neighbour over for a (free) dinner because I need a license in food preparation and it has to happen in a rented location.
> Try loading up some food you cooked in your kitchen and selling it out of your car, door-to-door, and watch what happens.
There's a lovely grandma in my neighborhood who has been doing exactly this for years. She sells the best tamales around. Just sayin'.
But yes, how viable and/or legal this is depends on where you live.
Tamale Lady who hits every bar near Mission in San Francisco? She’s been at it for decades.