Comment by zahlman
5 days ago
> denying trans people of their identity. That's promoting hate.
To be clear: your position is that refusing to see other people as they see themselves, in one specific aspect, is inherently hateful?
That's likely the crux of our disagreement in the other subthread, then.
Either that or you imagine that "denying identity" refers to something else, but I've only ever seen it used in cases that boil down to that. This often gets described as "denying existence", which from my observations conservatives just think is absurd. The entire point is that "identity" refers to self-image, while "existence" refers to what is externally observable.
>your position is that refusing to see other people as they see themselves, in one specific aspect, is inherently hateful?
Yes. That tends to fall under "hate speech":
>public speech that expresses hate or encourages violence towards a person or group based on something such as race, religion, sex, or sexual orientation
Denying existence or identity will fall under that curtain either way. That seems to be the interpretation Reddit uses, so your account or community will be banned for breaking its rules, regardless of your interpretation. Both dehumanize, and dehumanization is a one way ticket to denying someone as worthy of the rights humans enjoy.
How on earth is it "hate speech" to point out that men who call themselves women aren't actually women? It's a simple statement of fact.
> Denying existence or identity
These are different things (which was most of the point),
> will fall under that curtain either way
... but I fail to see how in either case.
> Both dehumanize
I don't see this, either.
Again, the actual act we refer to is:
> refusing to see other people as they see themselves, in one specific aspect
Is there any other aspect of how people see themselves which would lead you to the same conclusion? For example, if I consider myself physically attractive, and others disagree, are they hating me?
>but I fail to see how in either case.
You're free to argue with thr reddit admins on how. It's not my call.
But as a hint, it's pretty easy to deny existence when you dehumanize someone. If you can't see that, you may need to read more history.
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